Changing World Order

Maybe an attempt to overrun the remaining vestiges of conservative USA?

Correlate the white, conservative vote:



To the proposed NAU corridor:

STAGE 1 Into STAGE 2 COLLAPSE

What is happening currently reminds me of my mindset amongst many others last year. At that time....gold and silver were just beginning to head into its highs. Also, Juniors were still good stocks. SEG.TO was between $.85-.90. We all had ideas of 10 baggers...making 10 times our money. Look what 1 year has done. I guess a 10 bagger would still be true if SEG.TO was selling for $.02 and it went to $.20.

But...what I am trying to get across is the MINDSET. Wall Street, the Media, and most of the Public is stuck in this Mindset about what the future will be like. Many are forcasting either a RECESSION or DEPRESSION.....with higher unemployment and Negative GDP growth. Unfortunately....these future MINDSETS might be just as wrong as I was back in Nov 2007 about the JUNIORS.

I believe the FUTURE FORCASTS for ECONOMIC, POLITICAL and SOCIAL are WAY OFF BASE. According to Dimitry Orlov and his artilce "CLOSING THE COLLAPSE GAP", which describes the similarities and differences between the Soviet Union and the United States in a COLLAPSE.

First he gives us his 5 Stages of the Collapse


Stage 1: Financial collapse. Faith in "business as usual" is lost. The future is no longer assumed resemble the past in any way that allows risk to be assessed and financial assets to be guaranteed. Financial institutions become insolvent; savings are wiped out, and access to capital is lost.

Stage 2: Commercial collapse. Faith that "the market shall provide" is lost. Money is devalued and/or becomes scarce, commodities are hoarded, import and retail chains break down, and widespread shortages of survival necessities become the norm.

Stage 3: Political collapse. Faith that "the government will take care of you" is lost. As official attempts to mitigate widespread loss of access to commercial sources of survival necessities fail to make a difference, the political establishment loses legitimacy and relevance.

Stage 4: Social collapse. Faith that "your people will take care of you" is lost, as local social institutions, be they charities or other groups that rush in to fill the power vacuum run out of resources or fail through internal conflict.

Stage 5: Cultural collapse. Faith in the goodness of humanity is lost. People lose their capacity for "kindness, generosity, consideration, affection, honesty, hospitality, compassion, charity" (Turnbull, The Mountain People). Families disband and compete as individuals for scarce resources. The new motto becomes "May you die today so that I die tomorrow" (Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago). There may even be some cannibalism.

As you can see...we are in STAGE 1 and are entering STAGE 2. The reason why we have not had food or commodity shortages yet....is due to the fact that FORIEGN COUNTRIES are still taking our MONOPOLY MONEY. As this systems CASCADES even further.....expect more FOREIGN COUNTRIES to sell their US TREASURIES....following Taiwans lead. Once this takes place....the US DOLLAR COLLAPSES...and IMPORTS drop like a rock. Then we here in the United States will have to live on what we produce....and that is a fraction of what we are used to.

In Dimity's CLOSING THE COLLAPSE GAP here are a few of his slides:

Slide [2] The subject of economic collapse is generally a sad one. But I am an optimistic, cheerful sort of person, and I believe that, with a bit of preparation, such events can be taken in stride. As you can probably surmise, I am actually rather keen on observing economic collapses. Perhaps when I am really old, all collapses will start looking the same to me, but I am not at that point yet.

And this next one certainly has me intrigued. From what I've seen and read, it seems that there is a fair chance that the U.S. economy will collapse sometime within the foreseeable future. It also would seem that we won't be particularly well-prepared for it. As things stand, the U.S. economy is poised to perform something like a disappearing act. And so I am eager to put my observations of the Soviet collapse to good use.

Slide [7] I've described what happened to Russia in some detail in one of my articles, which is available on SurvivingPeakOil.com. I don't see why what happens to the United States should be entirely dissimilar, at least in general terms. The specifics will be different, and we will get to them in a moment. We should certainly expect shortages of fuel, food, medicine, and countless consumer items, outages of electricity, gas, and water, breakdowns in transportation systems and other infrastructure, hyperinflation, widespread shutdowns and mass layoffs, along with a lot of despair, confusion, violence, and lawlessness. We definitely should not expect any grand rescue plans, innovative technology programs, or miracles of social cohesion.

Slide [9] One important element of collapse-preparedness is making sure that you don't need a functioning economy to keep a roof over your head. In the Soviet Union, all housing belonged to the government, which made it available directly to the people. Since all housing was also built by the government, it was only built in places that the government could service using public transportation. After the collapse, almost everyone managed to keep their place.

In the United States, very few people own their place of residence free and clear, and even they need an income to pay real estate taxes. People without an income face homelessness. When the economy collapses, very few people will continue to have an income, so homelessness will become rampant. Add to that the car-dependent nature of most suburbs, and what you will get is mass migrations of homeless people toward city centers.

Slide [10] Soviet public transportation was more or less all there was, but there was plenty of it. There were also a few private cars, but so few that gasoline rationing and shortages were mostly inconsequential. All of this public infrastructure was designed to be almost infinitely maintainable, and continued to run even as the rest of the economy collapsed.

The population of the United States is almost entirely car-dependent, and relies on markets that control oil import, refining, and distribution. They also rely on continuous public investment in road construction and repair. The cars themselves require a steady stream of imported parts, and are not designed to last very long. When these intricately interconnected systems stop functioning, much of the population will find itself stranded.

Slide [15] The Soviet agricultural sector was notoriously inefficient. Many people grew and gathered their own food even in relatively prosperous times. There were food warehouses in every city, stocked according to a government allocation scheme. There were very few restaurants, and most families cooked and ate at home. Shopping was rather labor-intensive, and involved carrying heavy loads. Sometimes it resembled hunting – stalking that elusive piece of meat lurking behind some store counter. So the people were well-prepared for what came next.

In the United States, most people get their food from a supermarket, which is supplied from far away using refrigerated diesel trucks. Many people don't even bother to shop and just eat fast food. When people do cook, they rarely cook from scratch. This is all very unhealthy, and the effect on the nation's girth, is visible, clear across the parking lot. A lot of the people, who just waddle to and from their cars, seem unprepared for what comes next. If they suddenly had to start living like the Russians, they would blow out their knees.

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dtxqwqr_25g7bchc

The rest of Dimitry's slides can be found at the link above. Dmitry Orlov finished his presentations by stating this:

My conclusion is that the Soviet Union was much better-prepared for economic collapse than the United States is.

This is how I see it. Americans have been wasting their wealth and time in shallow and worthless pastimes and investments. When this US DOLLAR and the US TREASURIES COLLAPSE....so will the ECONOMIC and SOCIAL STRUCTURE. That is why I have been posting about a DISINTEGRATION of our SYSTEM...and just not a DEPRESSION. In 1930...we had all the resources to SUPPLY the AMERICAN PUBLIC during the DEPRESSION. Today those RESOURCES in which we use to function in our DAILY LIVES....are in FOREIGN HANDS....not ours.

THUS.....THERE LIES THE RUB.....

I have very much appreciated your posts SRSrocco and am glad to see that you have begun to post here.

Shelby inserted in this post:

Shelby wrote:hope you don't mind if I insert my agreement in your post, as I don't need another thread showing me as the last poster. I also thought that post by Steve was excellent, and I thank him for sharing it in this forum where it can be seen publicly. And I do hope he and others keep posting, if they find this forum useful.

SRSrocco, I think you wrote some where in your discussion on Dmitry Orlov (perhaps it was in General Market Comments thread in the Hommel forum), or maybe it was this document:

http://www.contrahour.com/contrahour/files/ItsJustTimeMartinArmstrong.pdf

That the USA civilization peaked in 1999.

Well looks like USA gold production as a % of world production peaked about then also, while developing world is increasing:

http://www.goldsheetlinks.com/production.htm
http://www.pensions.gold.org/us/supply_demand/supply/

Also looks like the rate of increase of world above ground supply of gold peaked in 1999 at 1.87%, with worldwide 2570 tonnes produced with 137,290 tonnes of above ground supply at start of 1999 (or 1.91% in 1990 with 2180 produced on 114,110 tonnes):

http://minerals.usgs.gov/ds/2005/140/gold.pdf
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blumen/blumen14.html

...According to the WGC, this quantity was around 155,500 tonnes at the end of 2005...

Very interestingly, only 1.23% in 1980 with 1220 produced on 98,730 tonnes, down from 1.73% in 1970 with 1480 produced on 85,770 tonnes. In 1940, 2.48% with 1310 produced on 52,909 tonnes.

I had written a couple months ago:

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/2008/0923b.html

Shelby wrote:...Some people think the dollar is still backed by gold at Ft. Knox. The government officially reports 261 million troy ounces of gold in "deep storage" valued at $42.22. That $11 billion "on the books" value divided by the current market $900 price of gold, is 12 million troy ounces. So the government is officially reporting in a rather sly way, that it has sold or leased out 249 million ounces of the gold, which perhaps is why the gold is classified as "deep storage". Perhaps accountants can be "officially" correct, using "Enron-like" gimicks...

Someone dug up more evidence:

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/fatprophets110708.html

fatProphets wrote:...With the balance sheet so stretched, one would think the Fed would be squeezing as much as they can from their assets. Not so. The Fed and Treasury continue to value their 261.5 million ounces of gold holdings at $42.2222 an ounce, providing the Fed with a balance sheet value of just $11 billion.

At today's price of around $730, the Fed's assets would rise by $180 billion, or roughly the amount Fed credit expanded last week. But a glance at the Treasury's US International Reserve Position' tells us why a gold revaluation will not occur anytime soon. According to the Treasury, their description of gold is as follows:

Gold (including gold deposits and, if appropriate, gold swapped).

Interestingly, the additional explanation that the country's gold stock includes swapped gold only began appearing from 14 May, 2007 onwards. It would appear that the US Treasury and Fed do not hold anywhere near the amount of gold they claim to, with the mysterious difference representing a short position in the gold market...

And then of course the blockbuster from Ted Butler yesterday:

https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/stocks-f2/silver-eagle-mines-segto-t16.htm#323

GET OUT OF THE DOLLAR, INCLUDING ALL STOCKS, EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE FIAT SYSTEM. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. BOUNCES IN STOCKS SHOULD BE SEEN AS SELLING OPPORTUNITIES.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/125352/Bail-Outrage-Misuse-of-Funds-Lack-of-Transparency-a-National-Disgrace?tickers=GS,MS,JPM,BAC,C,WFC,XLF

https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/general-f1/urgent-warning-iras-401ks-are-a-govt-scam-t39.htm#337

http://www.infowars.net/051108RP.mp3

http://www.infowars.com/?p=5461

I personally do not see any significance of Jan 21 date.

This is not political discussion, rather a factual example of the effects of redistribution of wealth (all political parties redistribute wealth and I don't want to debate that fact).

LIVE EXAMPLE: REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read
'Vote Obama, I need the money.' --- I laughed.


Once in the restaurant my server had on a 'Obama 08' tie.
Again I laughed as he
had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.


When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was
exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept.
He stood there in disbelief
while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed
more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.


I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server
inside as I've decided he could use the money more.
The homeless guy was
grateful.


At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized
the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter
was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual
recipient deserved money more.


I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than
in practical application.


OR IS IT.........REDISTRIBUTION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S WEALTH IS A GREAT IDEA.............

This is why you must have silver in small coins form.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/11.08/breakup.html

...On the fate of the U.S. dollar, he said: "In 2006 a secret agreement was reached between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. on a common Amero currency as a new monetary unit. This could signal preparations to replace the dollar. The one-hundred dollar bills that have flooded the world could be simply frozen. Under the pretext, let's say, that terrorists are forging them and they need to be checked."...

Celente one of world's most accurate trend forecasters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQf8kJRcnQM&feature=related

When that money filters down to real people who want to flight from bonds, then the govt+Fed+Obama will make executive orders to limit bank withdrawals. The hell is coming...I am not sure if early 2009 or late 2009.

https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/economics-f4/inflation-or-deflation-t9-15.htm#465

Shelby wrote:http://www.kitco.com/ind/Barisheff/nov282008.html


And here is the inflation logic in a nutshell:

http://www.kitco.com/ind/katz/nov242008.html

UPDATE: Fedis being sued by Bloomberg News under the Freedom of Information Act, for refusing to identify the recipients of almost $2 TRILLION dollars of emergency loans...refusing to identify the nature of the “troubled assets” they are accepting as collateral.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aatlky_cH.tY&refer=home

http://www.augustreview.com/issues/globalization/trilaterals_cornering_gold_market?_20081209107/

Nice to see someone write what I had been writing since 2006, that I thought gold was becoming more centralized in the hands of the "inner cabal" (Rothchilds, Rockefellers, Morgans, etc), while being sold off by the "outer cabal" (disposable institutions of central banks, dollar, govts, corporations, "useless eaters" slaves).

Something new caught my eye:

...The massive amounts of gold leased to bullion banks will ultimately be seized by these same banks as collateral against worthless paper loans made to the Central Banks...

Perhaps this means if your ETF or Perth Mint or GoldMoney.com can not prove that their gold was not purchased from an entity that leased the gold, then maybe your gold in those centralized vaults could be confiscated.

...For all practical intent, individuals will be frozen out of the gold market at any price...

This is what is going to drive silver to the moon. Remember from my article:

https://goldwetrust.com/?commentary=Silver+Story

That billions of oz of silver are held by people in form of silverware and jewelry. Thus when the people can no longer obtain gold, they are going to turn to silver to use as money. Remember that silverware/jewelry can not be refined back to the monetary market at less than $100 - $200 per oz. Even that price will be too low to bring most of it back into market. Go read my article again to understand why.

In the history of mankind, silver has always been the defense of the people against the Kings' gold. Go back to Dark Ages and you will see this was so. Go back to 3000 BC and you will see this was so.

...Modern technology makes a revival of gold money, through private gold banks, possible even without government support...

...These superbanks are all closely tied to the goals and membership of the Trilateral Commission, whose members have methodically carried out a monetary policy designed to bring about this eventuality...

Actually I read that Steil article long time ago, and I have actually have a secret weapon planned against this. I know the "inner cabal" is trying to centralize the big banks who will provide these "gold credits" to be used for world trade. And I am going to use anonymous P2P technology to defeat their plan.

Stay tuned... please give me your support...

I've known this for a long time. I was working door-to-door in Ventura County (Westlake Village), CA to get Perot elected in 1992, even went to the San Diego convention. Then I realized Perot was unable to stand up to the "powers that be" and I then left the USA, because I realized politics would never be the solution. I've lived in USA sporadically since (1993 - 5, 1996, 1999 - 2003, part of 2004, most of 2006).


http://blacklistednews.com/?news_id=2696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bKwH3kJew4

Notice the "Jew" in the video id assigned by YouTube! That means it either happened randomly or someone inside of YouTube purposely set that id. The uploader is not allowed to choose the video id.

Also remember:

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/today-americans-would-be-outraged-if-u-n-troops/347294.html

Kissinger 1992 wrote:Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.

(in an address to the Bilderberger organization meeting at Evian, France, on May 21, 1991. As transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss delegates. )

Also anti-God:

Kissinger wrote:...Accept everything about yourself--I mean everything. You are you and that is the beginning and the end--no apologies, no regrets...

I think perhaps what is bothering me the most, is that my own govt will be forcing me to do illegal things in order to be free.

It is foreign to the my concept of "American", that I really feel like a person without a nation, without a society. I want to be part of a society, but I can not be part of a govt/society that is stealing $8.5 trillion in 2-3 months from it's citizens.

Bush's line keeps ringing in my head, "You are either with us, or you are against us". Our own society will turn us into terrorists, just because we want to be free.

There is no other feeling but war. I mean I have no other way to internalize it. I don't know how any one can trade their freedom for their little bit of peace and turn a blind eye to it. I wonder if such people are even alive? I mean for me it is just entirely counter to what I am. Maybe it is the native blood in me, just can't possibly be caged. You better just shoot a native, than try to cage him.

People are still smiling here. These people are used to eating roots, so they can easily scale back from their recent taste of what they consider to be unnecessary luxury life. For people here luxury is more like a vacation, not a permanent expectation yet. Westerners wouldn't know how to survive on roots crops in a grass & bamboo house. Here you don't have to meet building codes, you don't have to pay for land to build a house on if you are very poor, etc..


> http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-39119.html#backToArticle=603244
>
> How is it in the Philippines?

http://inquirer.cdnetworks.us/inquirer/mobile/09/02/16/html_output/xmlhtml/20090215-189485-xml.html


Also Swiss Bank Secrecy No Longer Trustable:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/UBS-to-pay-780M-open-secret-apf-14407085.html

Ron Paul explains the changes in the law that prepare USA for Military Dictatorship:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKL863_YhI0&feature=related

Some video of actual training of military in USA suburbs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIBgOlQRYv8&feature=related

FBI can listen to everything you say, even if your cell phone is turned off (is that true??):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HbG7Vk1x8Q&NR=1

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

February 25th, 2009
Gates requires ’secret’ budget review
Posted: 02:31 PM ET
WASHINGTON (CNN) — Defense Secretary Robert Gates is requiring officials working out the details of the next fiscal year’s defense budget review to keep their discussions “secret” and he’s gone the extra step to ensure the secrecy.

Spokesman Geoff Morrell told reporters Wednesday that those involved in formulating the budget for fiscal year 2010 have been required to sign a nondisclosure form “to create an environment in which the best possible budget can be built.”

“This is highly sensitive stuff involving programs costing tens of billions of dollars, employing hundreds of thousands of people and go to the heart of national security,” Morrell said.

The Pentagon classifies material about wars, intelligence and weapons every day, but the move to make everyone sign the form is unusual though not without precedent.

Morrell said Gates wants the budgeting process “to be as disciplined” and “as forthright as possible.”

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/UBS-says-had-47K-accounts-for-apf-14548191.html

The capital controls will begin soon. Remember what I wrote before in this thread, and combine what I wrote in link below, that it is imperative the govt must trap ("sterilize") people in Tbonds to prevent hyperinflation:

https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/precious-metals-f6/gold-as-an-investment-t60-15.htm#1117

http://meltdown2011.com/2009/02/23/think-tanks-2009-predictions/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#The_water_lily

We have a few months to effect change, only if we have an exponential (geometric) growth solution:

https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/goldwetrustcom-f1/which-logo-is-best-for-new-coinatmcom-t85-60.htm#1173

States cave in to Federal dominance:

http://money.cnn.com/2009/03/27/news/economy/unemployment_benefits/index.htm?cnn=yes

Remember everything in nature is either growing or decaying exponentially. Nothing is static. So categorize the things in your life accordingly and discard the decaying ones.

People don't understand that exponential change comes unexpectedly:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth#The_water_lily

The proportional rate of change is constant, but the proportions are not noticed until they have become absolutely large and then by that time it is too late to react.

The great timing wisdom is to perhaps walk away at exponential peaks, and to downsize and invest in exponential growth.

I am applying this concept to software:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=904#comment-234711

I am using this concept to decide which things in my life to discard and where to focus my time.

Hope this factoid helps you make good decisions.


P.S. The precious metals are exponential growth paradigm. The only decaying aspect is the USA political/governance. I think the good power of Romans 13 is causing the evil to destroy each other. Thus I want some of my metal outside that sphere of battle. I also see other possible exponential growth vehicles, and may diversify some.

Someone wrote in email:

> An interesting collary is that the more
> insane and abberated a being gets, the more he imitates the solidity of
> matter.

I replied as follows...

And that is very astute observation.

Doctors can promise/goal a material static (God only does for the spirit), and in the process guarantee insanity or health addictions.

There is analog to generalize to any kind of insurance. Insurance guarantees the failure of the entire group, because it attempts to replace God (nature, randomness), with an insurance that the entire group will pay for their erroneous notion that universe is trending towards more order. The underwriter merely parasites on the group's futile attempt to stop randomness. Since 1856, thermodynamics has stated that the trend of the universe is towards more disorder, and I theorize that disorder explains what infinity is:

http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Mass-Entropy_Equivalence.html

Infinity (at edge of universe) is 0 mass & 0 energy, i.e. nothing material. That is what gives a physically unreachable boundary, i.e. infinite.

We have 1000s of B or A rated small banks in USA. I had read one way they will be attacked is FDIC having to raise insurance rates to cover the losses on the failed banks. And now I read this:

http://financialsense.com/editorials/quinn/2009/0421.html

“A Federal Reserve document obtained by the AP shows that the stress tests take a harsher view of loans than of other troubled assets. This would mean that banks holding large loan portfolios would be viewed as being at greater risk than banks holding derivatives and debt securities. Wall Street’s former investment banks and the megabanks—JP Morgan, Citi and Bank of America—have large securities holdings, while regional banks tend to have a relatively larger portfolio of loans.

The AP raises the possibility that the reason the tests are biased in this way isn’t because the whole loan portfolios are actually riskier but because regulators want to make the Wall Street firms and the big banks look healthier.” (emphasis added)

“Stress Tests Are Biased In Favor Of Wall Street”

John Carney, April 24, 2009 (Business Insider)

Reflect on the prior 2 posts in this thread.

After this you will understand everything that has been going on in world for past decades and what and why is coming now, very succinct also:

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Turk/turk_may042009.html

That Kitco (cartel website) is letting him publish this now, IMO means the cartel is almost ready (or is forced) to let the gold+silver fraud blow wide open and put it on the public shoulders. Or it may mean this information will sucker the free market into a rocket shot now in price, and then another massive price reversal in order to earn more profits for the cartel.

There are only two outcomes as I see it. Either the gold cartel will fail in the end, or the US government will have destroyed what remains of the free market in America. I hope it is the former, but the continuing flow of events from Washington, D.C. and the actions of policymakers suggest it could be the latter.

What that means is if they don't let the gold price run free, then they have no choice but to socialize the losses. That is why I have been getting my capital out of the USA. Scary that the USA has a powerful military under the control of such a corrupt cartel.

Unfortunately the cartel will probably do everything it can to maintain hegemony, which probably means world war. Perhaps the US military is devoid of the kind of power that will be needed. Perhaps asia will simply turn away and refuse to be bullied and refuse to fight a big war. The USA doesn't have enough troops to occupy Asia.

But whose side is China on? Have the Chinese outsmarted the European bankers cartel? You know the asians smile and nod, but don't speak what they are really planning.

The USA will also fight from within, evidence the Montana fight against the Feds for no gun control.

But Asia will never agree for human rights or gun ownership. Govts like strict control in Asia. So I don't think we can see America patriots becoming allies of the Asian powers.

We are heading into very chaotic, high entropy epoch.