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Shelby Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:54 am
Who is going to feed these people, capitalists (with jobs only for those who will work hard) or socialists (with charity and inflation tax govt subsidies)???
This is what all of this is about. Westerners have been sitting on their asses (myself included) and still are. They refuse to leave their home areas and reach out. So the PTBs are able to game the situation.
I LOVE THESE PEOPLE DEEP IN MY HEART. I COULDN'T BE FAR FROM THIS PLACE ANY MORE.
("Para sa Masa" means for the masses) |
This is what all of this is about. Westerners have been sitting on their asses (myself included) and still are. They refuse to leave their home areas and reach out. So the PTBs are able to game the situation.
I LOVE THESE PEOPLE DEEP IN MY HEART. I COULDN'T BE FAR FROM THIS PLACE ANY MORE.
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One Currency, Bank and Government
Guest Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:23 am
Hi Shelby,
I'm still working on my follow up post on the Euro project and Freegold thesis. I thought I would comment on One World Currency, One World Bank and One World Government as you refer to these theories regularly in our discussion.
One World Bank
I think this is already in place as the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). Consider its' features, structure and functions. This is a privately owned bank whose officers are, through International agreements, NOT subject to the laws of any Nation. None. Nil. Completely above the "law".
It sits is at the pinnacle of the International Central Banking system. It makes the rules for all cross border inter-bank transactions, it dictates reserve requirements for all banks, it has its own gold reserves etc. It's headquarters in Basel gives rise to the names Basel I and Basel II. The terms of these agreements give the BIS far-reaching control and influence over the operation of the global banking system (Please Note: I have only read analysis of these agreements written by others).
I see the IMF, World Bank and their coterie of un-development banks and funds as the debt slavery salesmen and collection enforcers for the bankster syndicate(s). Remember also the USA has the exclusive veto on IMF action. It is effectively a US controlled entity. The BIS is not controlled by the USA, strongly influenced yes, but not controlled in the same way the IMF is.
Lastly in a recent G20 meeting a proposal was floated to give China and India larger stakes in the IMF and World Bank. Did anyone else notice that the proposal was to reduce the Europeans' stakes in order to give more to China and India? Are PTB Factions fighting over the loot?
One World Currency
Frankly I think this is a DEAD issue. I think the USD was their attempt, that it was purely an Anglo-American project and it has been an utter disaster. Lastly I don't think the PTB need a World Currency to get what they want. See my reasoning below.
As an aside this notion of an Anglo-American consortium came to me from R Buckminster Fuller's book Critical Path (1980). Bucky Fuller did a great job of outlining how it came into existence. He summed up the War of Independence as a "loss" only for the British Government not the commercial interests who simply shifted part of their power base to the States.
Take a good look at the flag of the British East India Company.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flag_British_East_India_Company
Then take a look at the Stars and Stripes (displays a certain dry sense of humour imposing this flag design on a colony you just "lost" don't you think?).
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=flag+stars+and+stripes&go=Go
Q. What attributes would a One World Currency have?
All trade would be priced in it.
It would be the global reserve currency.
It would be issued from one central point.
It would be accepted as money, by people, around the world.
Others??
Q. What are/were the attributes of the USD?
Most trade is/was priced in it.
It is the pre-eminent global reserve currency.
It is issued from one central point.
It is/has been accepted as money, by people, around the world.
It was originally sold on the basis of being as "good as gold", defaulted twice and then made redeemable in other people's property ie. oil by doing a deal with one of the owners of the oil to make the price of other people's gold a "steal"!
(HaHaHa - where did they get the idea that socialism is nifty?).
In relation to that last point one of my favourite ever cartoons has this tramp asking one of two guys for some money. The first guy says "Sure" and he looks like he is reaching for his pocket but he sticks his hand in the pocket of the guy next to him and starts pulling HIS wallet out.
One World Government
I think this is another classic case of deliberate mis-direction. I think the over-arching aim of the PTB is to de-sovereignise by any means possible so that they are free to over-ride the laws of any sovereign nation whenever and however they want. I also think they have made massive strides in this project particularly in relation to the Elite's two greatest threats of ALL time - the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The vehicle for One World Government has already been put in place and it is a work in progress AKA the United Nations. Notice that the UN is always presented as such a benign institution. Please say the following words slowly out loud: (WTO) World.....Trade.....Organisation, (WHO) World... Health..... Organisation. So often the big conspiracies are conducted in plain view. They are just so big we cannot see their outline when we are up close.
Cheers!
I'm still working on my follow up post on the Euro project and Freegold thesis. I thought I would comment on One World Currency, One World Bank and One World Government as you refer to these theories regularly in our discussion.
One World Bank
I think this is already in place as the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). Consider its' features, structure and functions. This is a privately owned bank whose officers are, through International agreements, NOT subject to the laws of any Nation. None. Nil. Completely above the "law".
It sits is at the pinnacle of the International Central Banking system. It makes the rules for all cross border inter-bank transactions, it dictates reserve requirements for all banks, it has its own gold reserves etc. It's headquarters in Basel gives rise to the names Basel I and Basel II. The terms of these agreements give the BIS far-reaching control and influence over the operation of the global banking system (Please Note: I have only read analysis of these agreements written by others).
I see the IMF, World Bank and their coterie of un-development banks and funds as the debt slavery salesmen and collection enforcers for the bankster syndicate(s). Remember also the USA has the exclusive veto on IMF action. It is effectively a US controlled entity. The BIS is not controlled by the USA, strongly influenced yes, but not controlled in the same way the IMF is.
Lastly in a recent G20 meeting a proposal was floated to give China and India larger stakes in the IMF and World Bank. Did anyone else notice that the proposal was to reduce the Europeans' stakes in order to give more to China and India? Are PTB Factions fighting over the loot?
One World Currency
Frankly I think this is a DEAD issue. I think the USD was their attempt, that it was purely an Anglo-American project and it has been an utter disaster. Lastly I don't think the PTB need a World Currency to get what they want. See my reasoning below.
As an aside this notion of an Anglo-American consortium came to me from R Buckminster Fuller's book Critical Path (1980). Bucky Fuller did a great job of outlining how it came into existence. He summed up the War of Independence as a "loss" only for the British Government not the commercial interests who simply shifted part of their power base to the States.
Take a good look at the flag of the British East India Company.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flag_British_East_India_Company
Then take a look at the Stars and Stripes (displays a certain dry sense of humour imposing this flag design on a colony you just "lost" don't you think?).
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=flag+stars+and+stripes&go=Go
Q. What attributes would a One World Currency have?
All trade would be priced in it.
It would be the global reserve currency.
It would be issued from one central point.
It would be accepted as money, by people, around the world.
Others??
Q. What are/were the attributes of the USD?
Most trade is/was priced in it.
It is the pre-eminent global reserve currency.
It is issued from one central point.
It is/has been accepted as money, by people, around the world.
It was originally sold on the basis of being as "good as gold", defaulted twice and then made redeemable in other people's property ie. oil by doing a deal with one of the owners of the oil to make the price of other people's gold a "steal"!
(HaHaHa - where did they get the idea that socialism is nifty?).
In relation to that last point one of my favourite ever cartoons has this tramp asking one of two guys for some money. The first guy says "Sure" and he looks like he is reaching for his pocket but he sticks his hand in the pocket of the guy next to him and starts pulling HIS wallet out.
One World Government
I think this is another classic case of deliberate mis-direction. I think the over-arching aim of the PTB is to de-sovereignise by any means possible so that they are free to over-ride the laws of any sovereign nation whenever and however they want. I also think they have made massive strides in this project particularly in relation to the Elite's two greatest threats of ALL time - the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The vehicle for One World Government has already been put in place and it is a work in progress AKA the United Nations. Notice that the UN is always presented as such a benign institution. Please say the following words slowly out loud: (WTO) World.....Trade.....Organisation, (WHO) World... Health..... Organisation. So often the big conspiracies are conducted in plain view. They are just so big we cannot see their outline when we are up close.
Cheers!
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Quick thought about "EU dead model"
Shelby Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:48 am
The EU model of giving high interest rates to their predominantly retired society, only works because it is feeding off the developing world's growth.
If the whole world was like EU, the model mathematically would implode exponentially fast, because compounding of the interest rate exceeds the growth rate internally.
Angophera, I will your latest post later. Thanks.
If the whole world was like EU, the model mathematically would implode exponentially fast, because compounding of the interest rate exceeds the growth rate internally.
Angophera, I will your latest post later. Thanks.
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re: NWO
Shelby Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:59 am
angophera wrote:...Q. What attributes would a One World Currency have?
All trade would be priced in it.
It would be the global reserve currency.
It would be issued from one central point.
It would be accepted as money, by people, around the world.
Others??
Q. What are/were the attributes of the USD?
Most trade is/was priced in it.
It is the pre-eminent global reserve currency.
It is issued from one central point.
It is/has been accepted as money, by people, around the world.
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One World Government
I think this is another classic case of deliberate mis-direction. I think the over-arching aim of the PTB is to de-sovereignise by any means possible so that they are free to over-ride the laws of any sovereign nation whenever and however they want. I also think they have made massive strides in this project particularly in relation to the Elite's two greatest threats of ALL time - the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights...
Correct, but remember the USD was not used as currency in every nation. That is the key difference from the One World Currency, where sovereign currencies will form into blocs over time and then eventually in one unified bloc at the end (decades from now).
Maybe you can appreciate how difficult it is for the Giants to manage (politically and logistically) 192+ central banks. As it stands right now, a key friendship or bribe can get you past the PTB's power. But in the One World Currency, the absentee rulers will be outside any bloc or nation, they will 100% untouchable. It will also be likely by that time, that enforcement is highly automated with computers, etc..
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There is more discussion about this here:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/economics-f4/changing-world-order-t32-45.htm#2284
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Demographic resonance
Shelby Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:42 pm
One thing the Giants can't fight is demographics. So they have learned to play one demographic off another. The reason the USD was built up as a reserve currency, is because at that time there was no practical way to even start think about unifying the developing nations into their own currency blocs. At that time, it was far too dangerous, because the media was still widely owned (now down to 5 owners in USA), there was a lot of independent true reporting, the developing world were jungles and their leaders were not yet educated at Harvard. Etc... So it was better to play the developing world as pawn to the debt-enslavement of the western world. Then in stage 2 (now), then use the debt-enslaved western world, to drag the developing world into the debt-enslavement mode.
Right now the EU is ready for the 666. Now it time to use that as leverage, and balance it with the demographics of the developing world, which are not ripe to go into the path the USA went through of converting to mindless materials and debt-based consumer economy. And all these small countries are going to need something to lean on, when the dollar falls. This is why the Asian Monetary union is set for 2015. The NAU (Amero) is set for 2010. Etc..
And that is why I think RobRoy is wrong. Demographics won't support his assertion that we are already in the 7 year tribulations.
The teenage minds are ripe now in developing world. Plant seeds here among them if you truely want a different world than the ones the Giants are executing. Teach them how to be capitalists. Teach them how to not use usury and paper money. Or sit there and hunker down in your local area and feel the wrath of God's admonition in the story of the talents.
Jason Hommel can sell 50,000oz of silver per day, and it will probably not making any difference whatsoever. Because he is leading the blind to bury their talents against the admonition of the Lord:
I am still trying to find the exact scripture about not storing up riches at end time, but here are few close ones:
Ezekiel 7:19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
Mark 4:19 (CEV) But they start worrying about the needs of this life. They are fooled by the desire to get rich and to have all kinds of other things. So the message gets choked out, and they never produce anything.
Ecclesiastes 5:13 (NLT) There is another serious problem I have seen under the sun. Hoarding riches harms the saver.
Matthew 19:19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
Matthew 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Revelations9:20The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Realize that gold bugs are in the church of Laodicea, not in church of Philadephia:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3&version=NIV
To the Church in Laodicea
14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Mark 10: 24+25...how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God. It easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
Proverbs 11: 28 Trust in your money and down you go! Trust in God and flourish as a tree.
Proverbs 23: 4,5 Don't weary yourself trying to get rich. Why waste your time? For riches can disappear as though they had the wings of a bird.
Luke 12: 21 Yes, every man is a fool who gets rich on earth but not in heaven.
Proverbs 3:4+5 If you want favor with God and man, and a reputation for good judgment and common sense, then trust the Lord completely; don't ever trust in yourself.
Proverbs 11: 24, 25 It is possible to give away and become richer! It is also possible to hold on too tightly and lose everything. Yes, the liberal man shall be rich! By watering others, he waters himself.
Galatians 6:7 Don't be misled; remember that you can't ignore God and get away with it; a man will always reap just the kind of crop he sows!
* Proverbs 3:7 — Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil.
* Proverbs 11:2 — When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
* Proverbs 16:18 — Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
* Proverbs 26:12 — Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
* Philippians 2:3-4 — Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourself. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
* James 3:17-18 — Wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.
* 1 Peter 1:13 — Prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
Phil 4:12-13 (Jer) I know how to be poor and I know how to be rich, too. I have been through my initiation and now I am ready for anything anywhere: full stomach or empty stomach, poverty or plenty. There is nothing I cannot master with the help of the One who gives me strength.
Luke 16:9-11 (Phi) "Now my advice to you is to use 'money', tainted as it is, to make yourselves friends, so that when it comes to an end, they may welcome you into the houses of eternity. The man who is faithful in the little things will be faithful in the big things. So that if you are not fit to be trusted to deal with the wicked wealth of this world, who will trust you with true riches?" (Jesus speaking)
Luke 14:12-14 (NIV) "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."
Luke 12:15-21 (Phi) ..."Be on your guard against covetousness in any shape or form. For a man's real life in no way depends upon the number of his possessions... A rich man's farmland produced heavy crops. So he said to himself, 'What shall I do, for I have no room to store this harvest of mine?' Then he said, 'I know what I'll do. I'll pull down my barns and build bigger ones where I can store all my grain and my goods and I can say to my soul, Soul, you have plenty of good things stored up there for years to come. Relax! Eat, drink, and have a good time!' But God said to him, 'You fool, this very night you will be asked for YOUR SOUL!...' That is what happens to the man who hoards things for himself and is not rich in the eyes of God."
Ecc 5:10-15 (NIV) Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless. As goods increase, so do those who consume them. And what benefit are they to the owner except to feast his eyes on them? The sleep of a laborer is sweet, whether he eats little or much, but the abundance of a rich man permits him no sleep. I have seen a grievous evil under the sun: wealth hoarded to the harm of its owner, or wealth lost through some misfortune... Naked a man comes from his mothers womb, and as he comes, so he departs...
Prov 11:4,28 (NIV) Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death... Whoever trusts in his riches will fall...
Eze 28:2-10 (NAS) ..."Thus says the Lord God, 'Because your heart is lifted up and you have said, 'I am a God...' yet you are a man and not God, although you make your heart like the heart of God... You have acquired riches for yourself... and your heart is lifted up because of your riches--Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you... and they will draw their swords... and defile your splendor... and you will die... Will you still say, 'I am a god,' in the presence of your slayer, although you are a man and not God, in the hands of those who wound you?'"
1 Thes 2:5 (Jer) ...Never at any time have our speeches been simply flattery or a cover for trying to get money.
2 Cor 2:17 (NEB) At least we do not go hawking the word of God about, as so many do...
2 Cor 2:17 (NIV) Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit.
2 Cor 2:17 (LB) We are not like those hucksters--and there are many of them--whose idea in getting out the Gospel is to make a good living out of it.
1 Tim 6:5 (Phi) ...among men of warped minds who have lost their real hold on the truth but hope to make some profit out of the Christian religion.
1 Tim 6:5 (TEB) ...They think religion is a way to become rich.
1 Tim 6:5-9 (NIV) ...men, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.
1 Tim 6:10-12 (NIV) For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves through with many griefs. But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.
2 Chronicles 1:11-12 (NLT) God said to Solomon, ‘Because your greatest desire is to help your people, and you did not ask for wealth, riches, fame, or even the death of your enemies or a long life, but rather you asked for wisdom and knowledge to properly govern my people—I will certainly give you the wisdom and knowledge you requested. But I will also give you wealth, riches, and fame such as no other king has had before you or will ever have in the future!
Luke 16:19-28 (CEV) There was once a rich man who wore expensive clothes and every day ate the best food. But a poor beggar named Lazarus was brought to the gate of the rich man's house. He was happy just to eat the scraps that fell from the rich man's table. His body was covered with sores, and dogs kept coming up to lick them. The poor man died, and angels took him to the place of honour next to Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. He went to hell and was suffering terribly. When he looked up and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side, he said to Abraham, "Have pity on me! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water and touch my tongue. I'm suffering terribly in this fire." Abraham answered, "My friend, remember that while you lived, you had everything good, and Lazarus had everything bad. Now he is happy, and you are in pain. And besides, there is a deep ditch between us, and no one from either side can cross over." But the rich man said, "Abraham, then please send Lazarus to my father's home. Let him warn my five brothers, so they won't come to this horrible place."
Most definitely we should not be buying any metal in coin form (but only that is come directly from the fire):
Luke 20:22-25 (NLT) "Now tell us—is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” He saw through their trickery and said, “Show me a Roman coin. Whose picture and title are stamped on it?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. “Well then,” he said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
Right now the EU is ready for the 666. Now it time to use that as leverage, and balance it with the demographics of the developing world, which are not ripe to go into the path the USA went through of converting to mindless materials and debt-based consumer economy. And all these small countries are going to need something to lean on, when the dollar falls. This is why the Asian Monetary union is set for 2015. The NAU (Amero) is set for 2010. Etc..
And that is why I think RobRoy is wrong. Demographics won't support his assertion that we are already in the 7 year tribulations.
The teenage minds are ripe now in developing world. Plant seeds here among them if you truely want a different world than the ones the Giants are executing. Teach them how to be capitalists. Teach them how to not use usury and paper money. Or sit there and hunker down in your local area and feel the wrath of God's admonition in the story of the talents.
Jason Hommel can sell 50,000oz of silver per day, and it will probably not making any difference whatsoever. Because he is leading the blind to bury their talents against the admonition of the Lord:
I am still trying to find the exact scripture about not storing up riches at end time, but here are few close ones:
Ezekiel 7:19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
Mark 4:19 (CEV) But they start worrying about the needs of this life. They are fooled by the desire to get rich and to have all kinds of other things. So the message gets choked out, and they never produce anything.
Ecclesiastes 5:13 (NLT) There is another serious problem I have seen under the sun. Hoarding riches harms the saver.
Matthew 19:19"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.24"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
Matthew 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Revelations9:20The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Realize that gold bugs are in the church of Laodicea, not in church of Philadephia:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3&version=NIV
To the Church in Laodicea
14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
Mark 10: 24+25...how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God. It easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
Proverbs 11: 28 Trust in your money and down you go! Trust in God and flourish as a tree.
Proverbs 23: 4,5 Don't weary yourself trying to get rich. Why waste your time? For riches can disappear as though they had the wings of a bird.
Luke 12: 21 Yes, every man is a fool who gets rich on earth but not in heaven.
Proverbs 3:4+5 If you want favor with God and man, and a reputation for good judgment and common sense, then trust the Lord completely; don't ever trust in yourself.
Proverbs 11: 24, 25 It is possible to give away and become richer! It is also possible to hold on too tightly and lose everything. Yes, the liberal man shall be rich! By watering others, he waters himself.
Galatians 6:7 Don't be misled; remember that you can't ignore God and get away with it; a man will always reap just the kind of crop he sows!
* Proverbs 3:7 — Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil.
* Proverbs 11:2 — When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
* Proverbs 16:18 — Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.
* Proverbs 26:12 — Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
* Philippians 2:3-4 — Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourself. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
* James 3:17-18 — Wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.
* 1 Peter 1:13 — Prepare your minds for action; be self-controlled; set your hope fully on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is revealed.
Phil 4:12-13 (Jer) I know how to be poor and I know how to be rich, too. I have been through my initiation and now I am ready for anything anywhere: full stomach or empty stomach, poverty or plenty. There is nothing I cannot master with the help of the One who gives me strength.
Luke 16:9-11 (Phi) "Now my advice to you is to use 'money', tainted as it is, to make yourselves friends, so that when it comes to an end, they may welcome you into the houses of eternity. The man who is faithful in the little things will be faithful in the big things. So that if you are not fit to be trusted to deal with the wicked wealth of this world, who will trust you with true riches?" (Jesus speaking)
Luke 14:12-14 (NIV) "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends, your brothers or relatives, or your rich neighbors; if you do, they may invite you back and so you will be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."
Luke 12:15-21 (Phi) ..."Be on your guard against covetousness in any shape or form. For a man's real life in no way depends upon the number of his possessions... A rich man's farmland produced heavy crops. So he said to himself, 'What shall I do, for I have no room to store this harvest of mine?' Then he said, 'I know what I'll do. I'll pull down my barns and build bigger ones where I can store all my grain and my goods and I can say to my soul, Soul, you have plenty of good things stored up there for years to come. Relax! Eat, drink, and have a good time!' But God said to him, 'You fool, this very night you will be asked for YOUR SOUL!...' That is what happens to the man who hoards things for himself and is not rich in the eyes of God."
Ecc 5:10-15 (NIV) Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income. This too is meaningless. As goods increase, so do those who consume them. And what benefit are they to the owner except to feast his eyes on them? The sleep of a laborer is sweet, whether he eats little or much, but the abundance of a rich man permits him no sleep. I have seen a grievous evil under the sun: wealth hoarded to the harm of its owner, or wealth lost through some misfortune... Naked a man comes from his mothers womb, and as he comes, so he departs...
Prov 11:4,28 (NIV) Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death... Whoever trusts in his riches will fall...
Eze 28:2-10 (NAS) ..."Thus says the Lord God, 'Because your heart is lifted up and you have said, 'I am a God...' yet you are a man and not God, although you make your heart like the heart of God... You have acquired riches for yourself... and your heart is lifted up because of your riches--Therefore, behold, I will bring strangers upon you... and they will draw their swords... and defile your splendor... and you will die... Will you still say, 'I am a god,' in the presence of your slayer, although you are a man and not God, in the hands of those who wound you?'"
1 Thes 2:5 (Jer) ...Never at any time have our speeches been simply flattery or a cover for trying to get money.
2 Cor 2:17 (NEB) At least we do not go hawking the word of God about, as so many do...
2 Cor 2:17 (NIV) Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit.
2 Cor 2:17 (LB) We are not like those hucksters--and there are many of them--whose idea in getting out the Gospel is to make a good living out of it.
1 Tim 6:5 (Phi) ...among men of warped minds who have lost their real hold on the truth but hope to make some profit out of the Christian religion.
1 Tim 6:5 (TEB) ...They think religion is a way to become rich.
1 Tim 6:5-9 (NIV) ...men, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.
1 Tim 6:10-12 (NIV) For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves through with many griefs. But you, man of God, flee from all this, and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness.
2 Chronicles 1:11-12 (NLT) God said to Solomon, ‘Because your greatest desire is to help your people, and you did not ask for wealth, riches, fame, or even the death of your enemies or a long life, but rather you asked for wisdom and knowledge to properly govern my people—I will certainly give you the wisdom and knowledge you requested. But I will also give you wealth, riches, and fame such as no other king has had before you or will ever have in the future!
Luke 16:19-28 (CEV) There was once a rich man who wore expensive clothes and every day ate the best food. But a poor beggar named Lazarus was brought to the gate of the rich man's house. He was happy just to eat the scraps that fell from the rich man's table. His body was covered with sores, and dogs kept coming up to lick them. The poor man died, and angels took him to the place of honour next to Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. He went to hell and was suffering terribly. When he looked up and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side, he said to Abraham, "Have pity on me! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water and touch my tongue. I'm suffering terribly in this fire." Abraham answered, "My friend, remember that while you lived, you had everything good, and Lazarus had everything bad. Now he is happy, and you are in pain. And besides, there is a deep ditch between us, and no one from either side can cross over." But the rich man said, "Abraham, then please send Lazarus to my father's home. Let him warn my five brothers, so they won't come to this horrible place."
Most definitely we should not be buying any metal in coin form (but only that is come directly from the fire):
Luke 20:22-25 (NLT) "Now tell us—is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?” He saw through their trickery and said, “Show me a Roman coin. Whose picture and title are stamped on it?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. “Well then,” he said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
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Re: What Is Money?
skylick Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:00 pm
Shelby wrote:
Your turn skylick? What have you done?
I have done some of the things you both have mentioned. I have helped 8 friends buy precious metals for the first time. Two of them now have 50%+ gains in gold. My friend and former neighbor sold his house a couple of years ago when I started bringing him articles about real estate history and hard money history.
Anyway, I meant to do things in very practical terms.
I have aquired land which I am willing to let people cultivate and build shelter on for personal use.
I have accumulated decent amount of copper, zinc, lead and nickel. I will be adding a small amount of stainless steel as well. I am looking for a compact forge. Zinc can be very useful in die casting. These are mainly for food and energy production.
I am aquiring seed to grow fuels such as, deisel and ethanol. Hemp, sugar beets and corn seem like good candidates for the climate where most of my land is.
I have been honing basic survival skills so that I can teach others.
I have been practicing with long and crossbows for hunting.
I have relearned how to properly can fruits and vegetables.
I am in the process of putting data together on medicinal plants which can be found in the wild. Also, many remedies which can be made from regular fruits and vegetables.
I am proficient in leather craft, welding, and basic small engine mechanics.
I will soon build a log cabin, then log home so that I can teach others.
I have been learning about many uses for cattails which are abundant on my land. Use include insulation, roofing, cordage.
I am preparing to harvest my first crop of birch sap and syrup.
I am building a network of indiviuals who will barter for the things I can grow and produce on my land. I know farmers and people with equipment which will be occasionally helpful when needed.
I have learned to fly small aircraft. I may soon have the opportunity to learn how to build a backpack powered paraglider from easily scourced fabric and small engine parts and components.
I am talking to natives about planting and production of wild rice on the swampy land of my property.
Though I have farming experience, I am learning about care for sheep, as wool is very helpful in northern climates. I have knowledge and some experience in basic veterinary procedures such as, debloating cattle, difficult birthing solutions and medicinal administration.
I know how to jerk meat, tan hides and snare game. I am looking for someone with knowlege in using a falcon for hunting.
I'm sure there is more, but does not come to mind at the moment.
The important thing is that I have 4000+ acres of land available for anyone who needs help to get away from government assisted living, and the knowledge for them to become self sufficient. I am willing to sell land or just let people use it.
I hope to eventually put together a "survive and thrive" mannual for the land and climate in my area.
If anyone would like information on starting a "bugout" settlement on my land for $500 per year, I would be happy to correspond with you.
http://canadianinvestmentland.com/
Btw, I think this type of discussion is potentially very valuable to many. I hope others will also contribute to it.
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Slam Dunk skylick
Guest Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:41 pm
Hi skylick,
I think you just won the most practical actions "competition'" by a mile (or kilometre if you prefer).
FWIW The Europeans have a register of plants with medicinal and other beneficial properties. From memory it is called the "pharmacopia" or something like that. I think it is maintained by the French Academy of Sciences. Might be worth a look.
I have also been learning how to practice "permaculture". Basically how to grow the maximum amount of food in the smallest possible space in an integrated way.
Baby steps compared to you.
Best of luck in your endeavours.
I think you just won the most practical actions "competition'" by a mile (or kilometre if you prefer).
FWIW The Europeans have a register of plants with medicinal and other beneficial properties. From memory it is called the "pharmacopia" or something like that. I think it is maintained by the French Academy of Sciences. Might be worth a look.
I have also been learning how to practice "permaculture". Basically how to grow the maximum amount of food in the smallest possible space in an integrated way.
Baby steps compared to you.
Best of luck in your endeavours.
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Have some PTB factions moved the goal posts?
Guest Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:18 pm
Hi Shelby,
Shelby wrote (re: USD as an attempt at one world currency):
"Correct, but remember the USD was not used as currency in every nation. That is the key difference from the One World Currency, where sovereign currencies will form into blocs over time and then eventually in one unified bloc at the end (decades from now)."
My point is that the USD was dominant in the monetary and trade systems and it also influenced the behaviour of every other currency. For huge swathes of the world population it was saved in preference to the local currency.
The one-for-one match up on the list of desirable/necessary attributes of the USD and the one world currency says to me that this was at minimum a "de facto" one world currency. Why bother to go down that path again when there are other options?
One of the conclusions that I am considering is that the Euro project and Freegold thesis could facilitate a change in objectives. By this I mean the following:
*one world currency = control of all the "capital" and ability to "tax" every transaction
USD = quasi one world currency = FAILED so Cancel one world currency project
New Project: Redefine capital and institute a separate global tax (after shoving everyone into the debt pit).
1. Acquire lots of gold ... reinstate gold as supreme asset = capital (facilitates acquisitions of cheap assets and the eventual re-capitalisation of debt crippled enterprises).
2. Carbon C&T = new global tax on every person and every business (not controlled by the PTB eg. coal gets "carbon credits") regardless of the currency in which they transact.
*1 + 2 = control of most of the "capital" and ability to "tax" every transaction.
Holders of paper get fleeced. "The right people win" and "the wrong people lose" as described in "The Royal Scam".
More than one way to skin a cat (apologies to the Burmese cat sitting on my lap).
Cheers!
Shelby wrote (re: USD as an attempt at one world currency):
"Correct, but remember the USD was not used as currency in every nation. That is the key difference from the One World Currency, where sovereign currencies will form into blocs over time and then eventually in one unified bloc at the end (decades from now)."
My point is that the USD was dominant in the monetary and trade systems and it also influenced the behaviour of every other currency. For huge swathes of the world population it was saved in preference to the local currency.
The one-for-one match up on the list of desirable/necessary attributes of the USD and the one world currency says to me that this was at minimum a "de facto" one world currency. Why bother to go down that path again when there are other options?
One of the conclusions that I am considering is that the Euro project and Freegold thesis could facilitate a change in objectives. By this I mean the following:
*one world currency = control of all the "capital" and ability to "tax" every transaction
USD = quasi one world currency = FAILED so Cancel one world currency project
New Project: Redefine capital and institute a separate global tax (after shoving everyone into the debt pit).
1. Acquire lots of gold ... reinstate gold as supreme asset = capital (facilitates acquisitions of cheap assets and the eventual re-capitalisation of debt crippled enterprises).
2. Carbon C&T = new global tax on every person and every business (not controlled by the PTB eg. coal gets "carbon credits") regardless of the currency in which they transact.
*1 + 2 = control of most of the "capital" and ability to "tax" every transaction.
Holders of paper get fleeced. "The right people win" and "the wrong people lose" as described in "The Royal Scam".
More than one way to skin a cat (apologies to the Burmese cat sitting on my lap).
Cheers!
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more on USD != one world currency
Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:38 am
skylick, your skills and effort are well matched to the area and people in that area. I am not discrediting your efforts, when I say that they will do nothing on the scale of the billions of people here in developing world that are the last barrier to the final NWO/666. I feel God has spoken to me and he said that I should not prepare to isolate myself, but rather I should try to compete with the Giants in the way that touches the most people possible. But God will speak to each person individually, so I re-iterate that I am not discrediting what you are doing. Now if you could somehow apply those sort of skills in a useful way in densely populated rural areas, such as India and Philippines, then you would be competing on the scale of the Giants and not just for your local community. But if you are able to create a community that is NOT following 1 Samuel 8, I would think that is positive. But again, it is not my role to judge, as Bible says that is God's role. So I am just contrasting for you, how our efforts are different, but not that one is better or worse than the other.
But I repeat it was NOT the one world currency. Period:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/economics-f4/changing-world-order-t32-45.htm#2284
Being dominant in trade and reserve/store-of-value is not what gives the PTB their control at the individual slavery level-- that control comes from the regulation of the currency interest rates (supply and thus feedback loop ripple frequency of demand).
More control with a ONE world currency. Socialism is a cancer ("kills its host") and thus the control must always increase on the aggregate. If the control ever stops increasing, the socialism implodes and the Giants lose everything (they will lose their heads!). They will only stop when every person "pays in blood" and then that is when the host dies (the end of Revelations). The cancer will suck the last drop of blood out of people. That is how parasitic control ends, with death of the host (literally!). If you refuse to take the "pay in blood" hookups at your palm and forehead, you will be be-headed.
You have described how they capitalize the parasitic gains, but then what? How do they hold on to these gains? You see socialism can never stop growing, else it implodes. The more concentrated the capital of the world, the more control needed to sustain that concentration.
It is simple exponential (entropy) mathematical concept. No brainer for me to understand.
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IMPORTANT: Now I am going to tell you that the Giants are trapped. Even if they gave away all their wealth and walked away, they would be persecuted (by factions within the PTB), but at least they would have maybe a chance to enter the gates of heaven. But the important thing you need to know, is that if you do something that is necessarily in harmony with many people (movement or trend), and then the degree of your risk (that factions of PTB will attack you) will be proportional to the amount of opportunity cost you are creating. This is a very important thing to realize so as to properly structure your efforts mathematically. Examples of opportunity cost, are when eliminating something you have done is easy and is a big gain for someone. This is why the most risk-free strategies will be those that spread virally without any centralized feedback loop. In short, follow biblical principles, e.g. do not make yourself an idol for groups of people.
angophera wrote:Hi Shelby,
Shelby wrote (re: USD as an attempt at one world currency):
"Correct, but remember the USD was not used as currency in every nation. That is the key difference from the One World Currency, where sovereign currencies will form into blocs over time and then eventually in one unified bloc at the end (decades from now)."
My point is that the USD was dominant in the monetary and trade systems and it also influenced the behaviour of every other currency. For huge swathes of the world population it was saved in preference to the local currency...
But I repeat it was NOT the one world currency. Period:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/economics-f4/changing-world-order-t32-45.htm#2284
Being dominant in trade and reserve/store-of-value is not what gives the PTB their control at the individual slavery level-- that control comes from the regulation of the currency interest rates (supply and thus feedback loop ripple frequency of demand).
angophera wrote:...The one-for-one match up on the list of desirable/necessary attributes of the USD and the one world currency says to me that this was at minimum a "de facto" one world currency. Why bother to go down that path again when there are other options?...
More control with a ONE world currency. Socialism is a cancer ("kills its host") and thus the control must always increase on the aggregate. If the control ever stops increasing, the socialism implodes and the Giants lose everything (they will lose their heads!). They will only stop when every person "pays in blood" and then that is when the host dies (the end of Revelations). The cancer will suck the last drop of blood out of people. That is how parasitic control ends, with death of the host (literally!). If you refuse to take the "pay in blood" hookups at your palm and forehead, you will be be-headed.
angophera wrote:...One of the conclusions that I am considering is that the Euro project and Freegold thesis could facilitate a change in objectives. By this I mean the following:
*one world currency = control of all the "capital" and ability to "tax" every transaction
USD = quasi one world currency = FAILED so Cancel one world currency project
New Project: Redefine capital and institute a separate global tax (after shoving everyone into the debt pit).
1. Acquire lots of gold ... reinstate gold as supreme asset = capital (facilitates acquisitions of cheap assets and the eventual re-capitalisation of debt crippled enterprises).
2. Carbon C&T = new global tax on every person and every business (not controlled by the PTB eg. coal gets "carbon credits") regardless of the currency in which they transact.
*1 + 2 = control of most of the "capital" and ability to "tax" every transaction.
Holders of paper get fleeced. "The right people win" and "the wrong people lose" as described in "The Royal Scam"...
You have described how they capitalize the parasitic gains, but then what? How do they hold on to these gains? You see socialism can never stop growing, else it implodes. The more concentrated the capital of the world, the more control needed to sustain that concentration.
It is simple exponential (entropy) mathematical concept. No brainer for me to understand.
======================
IMPORTANT: Now I am going to tell you that the Giants are trapped. Even if they gave away all their wealth and walked away, they would be persecuted (by factions within the PTB), but at least they would have maybe a chance to enter the gates of heaven. But the important thing you need to know, is that if you do something that is necessarily in harmony with many people (movement or trend), and then the degree of your risk (that factions of PTB will attack you) will be proportional to the amount of opportunity cost you are creating. This is a very important thing to realize so as to properly structure your efforts mathematically. Examples of opportunity cost, are when eliminating something you have done is easy and is a big gain for someone. This is why the most risk-free strategies will be those that spread virally without any centralized feedback loop. In short, follow biblical principles, e.g. do not make yourself an idol for groups of people.
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"Pay in blood" is how socialism finally kills the host LITERALLY
Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:44 am
So now, I have have the 90% understanding of how the financial system will morph, i.e. the USD was not the one world _currency_, and how eventually some decades from now when NWO is complete, we will end up in a "pay in blood" system which is the 666:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/biblical-f3/666-t37.htm#2286
So I think that about wraps it up for me. There shouldn't be any need for me to email you further.
I do hope you take the time to read this one and to follow the links, and learn what I have learned. It is profound. Although I know most of you will not.
This will appear to be bizarre, unless you deeply study and contemplate all the proofs at my above link and sub-links thereof. In the decades forward, I suspect you will recall that I was on to something (or you may entirely forget I told you).
My links above contain some practical advice as well.
I thoroughly expect to be viewed negatively in most of your minds. It is to be expected, as you have not yet gained the wisdom. However, if anyone has any wisdom to share, I welcome your replies. I am reminded to be humble, lest I have no wisdom.
GOD BLESS EVERYONE. HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
REMEMBER TRUST IN GOD, IT IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE.
Read Wilkerson's point that gold&silver won't help you:
http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/urgent-message.html
http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/gods_plan_to_protect_his_people.pdf
http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/americas_last_call.pdf
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/biblical-f3/666-t37.htm#2286
So I think that about wraps it up for me. There shouldn't be any need for me to email you further.
I do hope you take the time to read this one and to follow the links, and learn what I have learned. It is profound. Although I know most of you will not.
This will appear to be bizarre, unless you deeply study and contemplate all the proofs at my above link and sub-links thereof. In the decades forward, I suspect you will recall that I was on to something (or you may entirely forget I told you).
My links above contain some practical advice as well.
I thoroughly expect to be viewed negatively in most of your minds. It is to be expected, as you have not yet gained the wisdom. However, if anyone has any wisdom to share, I welcome your replies. I am reminded to be humble, lest I have no wisdom.
GOD BLESS EVERYONE. HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
REMEMBER TRUST IN GOD, IT IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE.
Read Wilkerson's point that gold&silver won't help you:
http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/urgent-message.html
http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/gods_plan_to_protect_his_people.pdf
http://worldchallenge.edgeboss.net/download/worldchallenge/books/americas_last_call.pdf
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Yellowcaked Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:22 am
I don't put much stock in what Wilkerson says...
The real question is what is he and his church doing about the decay of society?
Probably not much, like most churches.
The problem is that most churches have withdrawn from society and happy just in their on little buildings instead of being the salt of the earth.
Apostasy reigns true in the last days...
The real question is what is he and his church doing about the decay of society?
Probably not much, like most churches.
The problem is that most churches have withdrawn from society and happy just in their on little buildings instead of being the salt of the earth.
Apostasy reigns true in the last days...
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re: Wilkerson
Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:30 am
Yellowcaked wrote:I don't put much stock in what Wilkerson says...
The real question is what is he and his church doing about the decay of society?
Probably not much, ...
Oh my gosh... You do not seem to understand that no one can stop Revelations. I read that Wilkerson is helping many inner city youth and helping us to understand that gold & silver will not help us. Did you not read the scripture I quoted:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/economics-f4/what-is-money-t44-45.htm#2273
Shelby wrote:...Realize that gold bugs are in the church of Laodicea, not in church of Philadephia:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3&version=NIV
To the Church in Laodicea
14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."...
The point of that scripture is that your gold will not help you. God is saying go ahead and at least buy your gold in fire (i.e. no coins, no graven images), but his point is that you are not ready to enter gates of heaven, unlike the church of Philadephia which are ready (read Revelations 3 entirely).
Yellowcaked wrote:...like most churches.
The problem is that most churches have withdrawn from society and happy just in their on little buildings instead of being the salt of the earth.
Apostasy reigns true in the last days...
Either withdraw or morphed/corrupted into pseudo-temples of Satan, but I do not think that accurately characterizes Wilkerson's astute interpretation of scripture. Irregardless what Wilkerson is doing is of no concern of ours, only we need to judge whether his interpretation of scripture is correct. Like a politician, you seem to judge his views, by judging the person (which is satanic and opposite of biblical principles). Rather I think you are defending your church in Laodicea, because (as I know you personally in email) perhaps idolize your wealth and your role in political society (i.e. you violate 1 Samuel 8)? We can make criticisms of myself also, and I am constantly morphing to try to get myself in the church of Philadephia.
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"you" might be a soulmate, but I think maybe it is God, "words" are in Bible
Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:17 am
The "you" in this song, Invincible:
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Yellowcaked Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:20 am
You really don't get it, do you?
I have known for 30 full years that Wilkerson helps inner city youth. You should read "The Cross And The Switchblade" sometime. I did, 30 years ago.
Wilkerson may be a little off the deep end with his "prophecy". No one who knows the Bible needs Wilkerson to tell them the end is coming.
A statement like this:
is completely and totally irresponsible. It is in complete contradiction to Revelations 12:11. "they loved not their lives unto death..."
No one, that is truly in Christ, is going to worry one bit about the last days that are to come. There is nothing coming that is any worse than millions of Christians have ever faced.
Death does not get any worse, any way you deal the cards.
But that does not also excuse him or any other Christian from being responsible citizens and being agents of change for Christ in government. You might want to look up some scriptures about God's government sometime and see what it is really all about, for once.
See Matthew 25:40. Read the whole chapter while you are at it.
Who cares that the last days are coming? I don't, because I am ready for it. Not because I have wealth, or gold, or silver. They are nothing. I am washed in the blood of the lamb and I fear nothing and certainly not death.
You need to look up the verse that says "...to live is Christ, to die is gain..."
Then get your head on straight on what this is all about for a change.
The so-called Christians can either sit back on their fat asses, like the goats in Matthew 25, and speculate the last days, while the world goes to Hell in a hand-basket...
Or, they can get off their fat asses and start making a difference in society with the gifts that God has given them.
So, are you a sheep or a goat? A Christian, or a fake? Living for yourself, or living for others?
That is where the rubber meets the road for you and everyone in this world.
You are the one to judge yourself while on this Earth, not me.
If Christ is not using you to save the lost then He is not using you at all and you are just fooling your own self and are utterly lost.
If you are not a witness to the lost and a light to salvation, then you are most likely not a Christian.
Acts 1:8
Matthew 25:40
Matthew 25 (New International Version)
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
The Parable of the Talents
14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
I have known for 30 full years that Wilkerson helps inner city youth. You should read "The Cross And The Switchblade" sometime. I did, 30 years ago.
Wilkerson may be a little off the deep end with his "prophecy". No one who knows the Bible needs Wilkerson to tell them the end is coming.
A statement like this:
AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.
is completely and totally irresponsible. It is in complete contradiction to Revelations 12:11. "they loved not their lives unto death..."
No one, that is truly in Christ, is going to worry one bit about the last days that are to come. There is nothing coming that is any worse than millions of Christians have ever faced.
Death does not get any worse, any way you deal the cards.
But that does not also excuse him or any other Christian from being responsible citizens and being agents of change for Christ in government. You might want to look up some scriptures about God's government sometime and see what it is really all about, for once.
See Matthew 25:40. Read the whole chapter while you are at it.
Who cares that the last days are coming? I don't, because I am ready for it. Not because I have wealth, or gold, or silver. They are nothing. I am washed in the blood of the lamb and I fear nothing and certainly not death.
You need to look up the verse that says "...to live is Christ, to die is gain..."
Then get your head on straight on what this is all about for a change.
The so-called Christians can either sit back on their fat asses, like the goats in Matthew 25, and speculate the last days, while the world goes to Hell in a hand-basket...
Or, they can get off their fat asses and start making a difference in society with the gifts that God has given them.
So, are you a sheep or a goat? A Christian, or a fake? Living for yourself, or living for others?
That is where the rubber meets the road for you and everyone in this world.
You are the one to judge yourself while on this Earth, not me.
If Christ is not using you to save the lost then He is not using you at all and you are just fooling your own self and are utterly lost.
If you are not a witness to the lost and a light to salvation, then you are most likely not a Christian.
Acts 1:8
Matthew 25:40
Matthew 25 (New International Version)
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
The Parable of the Talents
14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:27 am
Yellowcaked wrote:...No one who knows the Bible needs Wilkerson to tell them the end is coming...
"No one"? Like all 6 billion people already know? Nonsense.
Yellowcaked wrote:...A statement like this:AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.
is completely and totally irresponsible. It is in complete contradiction to Revelations 12:11. "they loved not their lives unto death..."
No one, that is truly in Christ, is going to worry one bit about the last days that are to come. There is nothing coming that is any worse than millions of Christians have ever faced...
There you are being socialist Mr. Politician again, trying to judge his effect on society. First of all, Wilkerson states in numerous places that Christians will have no fear during this time. His whole point in writing is to alert the non-Christians.
P.S. I don't know if you are judging Wilkerson on something he wrote 30 years ago, people do change. Perhaps your criticism is only on his latest warnings. I am hoping you had changed since last year. I have no interest whatsoever in your bringing that Mr Politician stance over to my forum. I will of course allow it (I do not censor, but I will move posts to on-topic threads), but please move it to Biblical forum (maybe you can entitle it "God's notion of Governance" and I will debate your interpretations there).
Yellowcaked wrote:...Death does not get any worse, any way you deal the cards.
But that does not also excuse him or any other Christian from being responsible citizens and being agents of change for Christ in government. You might want to look up some scriptures about God's government sometime and see what it is really all about, for once...
Maybe you think you are not violating 1 Samuel 8 again. I do not need you to decide what is irresponsible information! I do not need a censorship police nor a government nor politics. I want to come out of the Great Harlot system.
If you want to debate that in Biblical forum, I can, we can go into a correct intrepretation of Romans 13, why God allowed the killing of all the babies in 1 Samuel 15, etc.
Btw, I have read Matthew. That is irrelevant to the points above.
If you want to reply again, please reply with a single link to a new topic you have created in the Biblical forum. Please do not obfuscate (the main point of) the "What is Money?" thread with this line of off-topic discussion.
Yellowcaked wrote:...The so-called Christians can either sit back on their fat asses, like the goats in Matthew 25, and speculate the last days, while the world goes to Hell in a hand-basket...
Or, they can get off their fat asses and start making a difference in society with the gifts that God has given them.
So, are you a sheep or a goat? A Christian, or a fake? Living for yourself, or living for others?
That is where the rubber meets the road for you and everyone in this world...
That is exactly what I am saying. And Wilkerson is saying that too, he saying gold & silver are not going to protect you.
But your concept of "making a difference in society" seems to revolve around judging what other people are doing. Focus on what you are doing. If you find that everything you want to get done revolves around political action (depending on the group), then you will know perhaps why you spend more time talking about things that didn't get done, than actually watching the fruits of your labor virally being adopted by people on their own free will (between them and God as Jesus said in Matthew 6:5) without the FORCE OF LAW OR TAXATION VIA YOUR POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE. The "Holier than thou" (and good goverance will be more holy) attitude is one that really disgusts me, so don't be surprised at the way I reacted to your posts.
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Control Mechanisms
Guest Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:42 am
Shelby wrote:
"Being dominant in trade and reserve/store-of-value is not what gives the PTB their control at the individual slavery level-- that control comes from the regulation of the currency interest rates (supply and thus feedback loop ripple frequency of demand)."
The BIS gives the stakeholders of that institution control over the Central Banks and through them the international supply of credit, huge influence over interest rates and so on.
The system that was promoted as the new, improved slavery was discussed in the Hazard (could be spelt Hazzard) Circular in 1845. This was a "discussion paper" or "newsletter" of its time. It was circulated between American bankers and their counterparts in Britain and the Continent (AKA Europe). It gave a glowing report on the new system of paying wages as an advancement on actually owning slaves. Please forgive the underlining I am trying to quit gradually.
Marx literally "wrote the book" on the other key control mechanisms of direct taxation etc. Your repeated over-emphasis of the importance of "controlling the money" as a means of enslaving individuals is deeply frustrating. Control of money is in my view a "macro control" and only one of many. I perceive many "micro controls" as well.
Review your own language. So often you talk in terms of "I already said ....", "I wrote about that here....", "I have already shown ....". My perception is you compete rather than co-operate. That's fine provided everyone knows the ground rules and accepts them.
On another thread I remarked that I had never met anyone who was sufficiently gifted to be able to relate the predictions of the bible to current events no matter how deep their faith. So I treat these interpretations as speculation not proof.
If you feel you have accumulated enough knowledge to get on with "your mission in life" I congratulate you and wish you well.
Cheers to all!
PS. I would like to correspond with skylick. If he is interested I would be grateful if you would pass on this invitation and my e-mail address to him.
"Being dominant in trade and reserve/store-of-value is not what gives the PTB their control at the individual slavery level-- that control comes from the regulation of the currency interest rates (supply and thus feedback loop ripple frequency of demand)."
The BIS gives the stakeholders of that institution control over the Central Banks and through them the international supply of credit, huge influence over interest rates and so on.
The system that was promoted as the new, improved slavery was discussed in the Hazard (could be spelt Hazzard) Circular in 1845. This was a "discussion paper" or "newsletter" of its time. It was circulated between American bankers and their counterparts in Britain and the Continent (AKA Europe). It gave a glowing report on the new system of paying wages as an advancement on actually owning slaves. Please forgive the underlining I am trying to quit gradually.
Marx literally "wrote the book" on the other key control mechanisms of direct taxation etc. Your repeated over-emphasis of the importance of "controlling the money" as a means of enslaving individuals is deeply frustrating. Control of money is in my view a "macro control" and only one of many. I perceive many "micro controls" as well.
Review your own language. So often you talk in terms of "I already said ....", "I wrote about that here....", "I have already shown ....". My perception is you compete rather than co-operate. That's fine provided everyone knows the ground rules and accepts them.
On another thread I remarked that I had never met anyone who was sufficiently gifted to be able to relate the predictions of the bible to current events no matter how deep their faith. So I treat these interpretations as speculation not proof.
If you feel you have accumulated enough knowledge to get on with "your mission in life" I congratulate you and wish you well.
Cheers to all!
PS. I would like to correspond with skylick. If he is interested I would be grateful if you would pass on this invitation and my e-mail address to him.
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re: Control Mechanisms
Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:21 am
angophera wrote:Shelby wrote:
"Being dominant in trade and reserve/store-of-value is not what gives the PTB their control at the individual slavery level-- that control comes from the regulation of the currency interest rates (supply and thus feedback loop ripple frequency of demand)."
The BIS gives the stakeholders of that institution control over the Central Banks and through them the international supply of credit, huge influence over interest rates and so on.
The system that was promoted as the new, improved slavery was discussed in the Hazard (could be spelt Hazzard) Circular in 1845. This was a "discussion paper" or "newsletter" of its time. It was circulated between American bankers and their counterparts in Britain and the Continent (AKA Europe). It gave a glowing report on the new system of paying wages as an advancement on actually owning slaves...
A coordinating institution among central banks (BIS) is not inconsistent with a move towards a one world currency (not just for reserves only). It was also not inconsistent with the fact that the USD became a one world reserve asset (as did the pound sterling before it, and roman gold coins before that perhaps). Nevertheless the BIS does not by itself reach the next level of socialism in its current form. It may morph to be a true central bank of SDRs or the ilk.
And note that wages did not stop socialism, they actually made it easier to implement via taxes.
angophera wrote:Please forgive the underlining I am trying to quit gradually...
Personally I found the limited and prioritized usage to be excellent in this post. It was only a suggestion. I will not censor anyone here.
angophera wrote:...Marx literally "wrote the book" on the other key control mechanisms of direct taxation etc. Your repeated over-emphasis of the importance of "controlling the money" as a means of enslaving individuals is deeply frustrating. Control of money is in my view a "macro control" and only one of many. I perceive many "micro controls" as well...
You said that "control of money" was their primary means and I agreed. Taxation and control of money are symbiotic. The fiat has not control without taxation.
angophera wrote:...Review your own language. So often you talk in terms of "I already said ....", "I wrote about that here....", "I have already shown ....". My perception is you compete rather than co-operate. That's fine provided everyone knows the ground rules and accepts them...
I can not respond to this general accusation. If you have a specific instance, then I will show you how I had already proved the point. But please do not go there. It is pointless. I suggest take some time to meditate. We will not get any further right now (just going in circles trying to explain to you what I have already explained to you). There is a wide gulf between our understanding of the issues at this time.
angophera wrote:...On another thread I remarked that I had never met anyone who was sufficiently gifted to be able to relate the predictions of the bible to current events no matter how deep their faith. So I treat these interpretations as speculation not proof...
I replied to that. Also my logic stands even if the Biblical correlations are removed.
angophera wrote:...If you feel you have accumulated enough knowledge to get on with "your mission in life" I congratulate you and wish you well...
Yes I feel it is time for me to transistion to action. You helped me fine-tune some of my thinking thank you.
I am equally frustrated that you can't connect the dots that I already did, so that we can reach some conclusions and get on with actions. It seems to me, you are going to subscribe to the freegold thesis, and I am going to try to subscribe to the "trust in God, do not store up things on earth, but store up deeds for heaven". I am a person who was not willing to accept that stance, without spending the last 3 years proving to myself in every possible way, that it is a fact of natural law (aka nature or God).
I was impressed with your intellect, so I was a bit shocked to learn that you think socialism will not progress beyond a certain point and that there are factions ready to use gold to stop socialism's advance (which would be their demise since they would be out-of-sync with the trend). It is just amazing to me that you can cling to such a view. I have no idea what is your mathematical or anthropomorphic basis. I suspect maybe you think a great depression will induce a reset of socialism back to capitalism? But my study of history is that is never the case. It is always a transfer of the socialism to another greater structure, which is a new seed that can grow exponentially because it is smaller in proportional to its greater scope (as compared to the narrower socialism paradigm that peaked and died). IN our case now, the USD reserve model is peaking, and what will follow will be a structure of greater scope. Initially that structure will be less well formed, and thus may appear to be less socialistic in certain metrics or perspectives, but in reality it will be (as always in history, due to mankinds insatiable desire for socialism) a march towards greater socialism.
angophera wrote:...PS. I would like to correspond with skylick. If he is interested I would be grateful if you would pass on this invitation and my e-mail address to him.
His website is listed on his posts on Canadian Land in the Health forum. I am suspect he has a contact address on this website. If you can't reach him there, I bet he will post his email here, and then delete his post after you contact him. If all else fails, please ask me again.
Btw, skylick has often been the recipient of people who don't agree with my logic. Perhaps he is my guardian angel.
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Freegold thesis will enable greater socialism
Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:57 am
Okay here is the slamdunk logic:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/precious-metals-f6/gold-as-an-investment-t60-60.htm#2301
I pray you finally understand. But I suspect you won't.
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/precious-metals-f6/gold-as-an-investment-t60-60.htm#2301
I pray you finally understand. But I suspect you won't.
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Maybe it won't take decades
Shelby Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:56 pm
Someone astutely pointed out to me that even though the USD was not the 666 "pay in blood" final outcome one world currency, that we could get there much faster than "decades". Okay I have to grant that possibility even though I think it is unlikely, I must admit that China probably much further along than I realize. So I guess it is possible that RobRoy is correct, and that we would already be in the Tribulations and maybe one of the Trumphets has already been blowing. It will come like a "thief in the night".
Again God bless everyone, we may not have much time. Get yourself in good with the Lord, while we still can.
I am going to close this thread on this note. Any one want to comment further, please carry on discussion in the Changing World Order thread.
Again God bless everyone, we may not have much time. Get yourself in good with the Lord, while we still can.
I am going to close this thread on this note. Any one want to comment further, please carry on discussion in the Changing World Order thread.
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God's Governance
Shelby Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:22 am
yellowcaked has replied to the prior discussion about Wilkerson and governance in general:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/biblical-f3/god-s-governance-t129.htm#2304
I am still closing this thread, but wanted to give readers direction to yellowcaked's response. I will not censor anyone here.
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/biblical-f3/god-s-governance-t129.htm#2304
I am still closing this thread, but wanted to give readers direction to yellowcaked's response. I will not censor anyone here.
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Shelby Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:23 am
"Pay in Blood" System
Understanding the precise mechanism for the transistion to NWO, is crucial for long-term investing success.
The Euro is the first democratic currency in the history of the world, whose lineage was never redeemable for a fixed quantity of precious metals. Feudal era tally sticks do not qualify as a democracy. Thus, the Euro is the transistion model to the NWO as I will explain.
The USD was a transistion from the historic use of precious metals by the populace (who never fully trusted the Kings of yore) as it was redeemable for a fixed quantity of precious metals, domestically until 1933 and non-domestically until 1971. From 1971, USD has been price fixed to "cheap gold" by and so OPEC can hoard gold by pricing oil in USD, and by massive selling of unbacked gold futures (ETFs, certificates, pool accounts, etc).
The USD was a global store-of-value, but not a global currency (populace use their national currencies), and now the USD is losing its value, as the USD price of precious metals rise. This transistions the world to a new financial model, where the fiat currencies are not reedemable in precious metals at any managed price. Up to now, the various national currencies are merely proxies for the USD, as the reliability of the currencies has been tied to their level of USD reserves. The Euro is the first democratic currency that is not a proxy for any concept (lie or otherwise) of store-of-value.
The new global financial model will be one where currencies are not stores-of-value, but merely transactional and political conveniences. The major coup is that for the first time in history of world, people will trust currencies that have no store-of-value component. They will trust that a free float of currencies against gold will function as a regulator. But this will be a race to "who can debase the most", due to the insatiable march of socialist human nature. Free floating gold as a store-of-value, will provide no brake to grouping of populaces into a plurality of brakeless currencies, because of the Iron Law of Group Politics. Also I have explained, how such a model will force formation of currency blocs.
So if the new model is one of much higher precious metal prices, due to the end of the price-fixing in USD, why not invest in precious metals? The new global financial model is one that accomodates ever greater levels of socialism, and socialists do not like when some people get richer than others. This new model works well for the super rich who can keep their precious metal dealings invisible and above the law, but it does not bode well for average person who wants to deal in precious metals. The method of confiscation will be taxation in the dying economies (90+% income taxes in last Great Depression), and excessive debasement (debt consumerism) in the developing economies, when an investor will capitalize on the investment. The latter works because capital gains taxes on precious metals are calculated on the fiat change in price. There is no place to run and no place to hide for the average investor.
Like any cancer or virus, socialism will kill the host, unless it can spread. The new financial model is on trend, because it enables socialism to spread, because as I have spoken to numerous people in the developing world, most of them desire to have the same BIG government that the dying western economies have. But eventually socialism will run out of low hanging fruit, and that is when it will literally kill its hosts. This will be the "pay in blood" system.
We can not stop human nature, but we can compete. Rather than burying our capital in a hole, why not go out to the 6 billion and teach them through capitalism that there is better way? Why not be pro-active in helping them to not commit the same mistakes we made? This is not a time to hunker down and be more selfish. This is a time to go to the developing countries and be pro-active. This is a call-to-action.
Better human values have to learned economically, because economics is part of what is driving people to idolize the "ordered society, BIG govt, better life" illusion. I have found that the more wealth I have, the more I am contented with a simpler life. That is the key realization we need to teach through experience. Lifting people up economically is part of teaching them they do not need wealth. If we instead remain selfish, we leave the teaching of the 6 billion to socialism. Let's compete for the mindshare brick-by-brick!
Take me Lord and use me, I am yours.
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ADD: chose wisely which businesses to undertake.
Understanding the precise mechanism for the transistion to NWO, is crucial for long-term investing success.
The Euro is the first democratic currency in the history of the world, whose lineage was never redeemable for a fixed quantity of precious metals. Feudal era tally sticks do not qualify as a democracy. Thus, the Euro is the transistion model to the NWO as I will explain.
The USD was a transistion from the historic use of precious metals by the populace (who never fully trusted the Kings of yore) as it was redeemable for a fixed quantity of precious metals, domestically until 1933 and non-domestically until 1971. From 1971, USD has been price fixed to "cheap gold" by and so OPEC can hoard gold by pricing oil in USD, and by massive selling of unbacked gold futures (ETFs, certificates, pool accounts, etc).
The USD was a global store-of-value, but not a global currency (populace use their national currencies), and now the USD is losing its value, as the USD price of precious metals rise. This transistions the world to a new financial model, where the fiat currencies are not reedemable in precious metals at any managed price. Up to now, the various national currencies are merely proxies for the USD, as the reliability of the currencies has been tied to their level of USD reserves. The Euro is the first democratic currency that is not a proxy for any concept (lie or otherwise) of store-of-value.
The new global financial model will be one where currencies are not stores-of-value, but merely transactional and political conveniences. The major coup is that for the first time in history of world, people will trust currencies that have no store-of-value component. They will trust that a free float of currencies against gold will function as a regulator. But this will be a race to "who can debase the most", due to the insatiable march of socialist human nature. Free floating gold as a store-of-value, will provide no brake to grouping of populaces into a plurality of brakeless currencies, because of the Iron Law of Group Politics. Also I have explained, how such a model will force formation of currency blocs.
So if the new model is one of much higher precious metal prices, due to the end of the price-fixing in USD, why not invest in precious metals? The new global financial model is one that accomodates ever greater levels of socialism, and socialists do not like when some people get richer than others. This new model works well for the super rich who can keep their precious metal dealings invisible and above the law, but it does not bode well for average person who wants to deal in precious metals. The method of confiscation will be taxation in the dying economies (90+% income taxes in last Great Depression), and excessive debasement (debt consumerism) in the developing economies, when an investor will capitalize on the investment. The latter works because capital gains taxes on precious metals are calculated on the fiat change in price. There is no place to run and no place to hide for the average investor.
Like any cancer or virus, socialism will kill the host, unless it can spread. The new financial model is on trend, because it enables socialism to spread, because as I have spoken to numerous people in the developing world, most of them desire to have the same BIG government that the dying western economies have. But eventually socialism will run out of low hanging fruit, and that is when it will literally kill its hosts. This will be the "pay in blood" system.
We can not stop human nature, but we can compete. Rather than burying our capital in a hole, why not go out to the 6 billion and teach them through capitalism that there is better way? Why not be pro-active in helping them to not commit the same mistakes we made? This is not a time to hunker down and be more selfish. This is a time to go to the developing countries and be pro-active. This is a call-to-action.
Better human values have to learned economically, because economics is part of what is driving people to idolize the "ordered society, BIG govt, better life" illusion. I have found that the more wealth I have, the more I am contented with a simpler life. That is the key realization we need to teach through experience. Lifting people up economically is part of teaching them they do not need wealth. If we instead remain selfish, we leave the teaching of the 6 billion to socialism. Let's compete for the mindshare brick-by-brick!
Take me Lord and use me, I am yours.
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ADD: chose wisely which businesses to undertake.
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Shelby Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:04 am
http://investophoria.blogspot.com/2010/03/lazy-markets-lazy-psychology.html?showComment=1268791321952#c6835471970733313561
http://investophoria.blogspot.com/2010/03/lazy-markets-lazy-psychology.html?showComment=1268836138388#c1091185918090502195
Anonymous wrote:Ok ladies it's poll time!
Anyone that has made money through recommendations on this board say "made money".
Anyone who has lost money say "lost money".
Shelby wrote:Define "money"?
Did you mean made dollars? What if you made less dollars than the dollar has lost purchasing power, for example if land in Asia increase by 10% this week and you made 5%? What if you made 3% in dollars but the dollar lost 3% of its purchasing power relative to the Euro?
Truth is no one is making money in the casino. They may get ahead for a while, but like all gamblers, they give it back to the house over time. The interesting thing though is people can not see it, because they think money are digits, but money is what you can actually do with it. Have you tried to anything useful with your money lately? What did you do? Did you create any prosperity for yourself or others, or did you buy more unnecessary junk?
I say the only way to make money, is to create capital. And the only way to create capital, is to create necessary production.
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http://investophoria.blogspot.com/2010/03/lazy-markets-lazy-psychology.html?showComment=1268836138388#c1091185918090502195
Shelby wrote:Again how can I answer the question if he doesn't define what money is? For example, if the value of an investment declines in dollars by 3%, but the value of the dollar increases by 5% relative to Euro, gold, and things I want to buy, then I made money, while losing dollars. What you don't seem to understand is that by sitting in dollars and doing nothing, you are making or losing money every day (and I tell you are losing).
The more important thing you don't understand, which is why you are blaming Derek for your own addiction, is that you can not generate capital by gambling. And playing in these markets with short-term technical voodoo is gambling. The big banks know exactly where your stops are statistically, because you all move with another herd and they take a statistical sample of brokers they control, which tells them what your stops and decisions will be before you even make them.
I know you won't understand what I have written. And thus you will lose everything by the time this epoch is over in about a decade or so. Remember I warned you.
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Only Gold is Money
Shelby Sat Oct 30, 2010 11:12 pm
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23903.html
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23862.html#comment95969
Steve Saville says essentially what I do above, but he has a different way of articulating it, which some may find more comprehensible:
http://www.kitco.com/ind/saville/nov032010.html
Chris Powell of GATA wrote:...gold's enemies figured out how to increase its supply by vast amounts without going through the trouble of digging it out of the ground. They invented "paper gold"...
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article23862.html#comment95969
Shelby wrote:I think it is important I make it clear that gold is different than any other substance on earth in a very specific way. One must understand this in order to understand macro-economics.
Gold has the lowest new stocks relative to existing above ground readily recoverable stocks of any tangible thing on earth (aka stocks-to-flows ratio[1]). Silver is the second lowest.
Above ground gold is about 160,000 tonnes (nearly all of which is held in forms that are readily salable) and annual supply is about 2,500 tonnes, or roughly a 66.6 years of supply thus 1.5% rate of monetary inflation (debasement). Above ground silver in tradable forms is roughly 20 billion oz, and annual supply is about 0.8 billion oz, or roughly a 25 years of supply thus 4% rate of monetary inflation (debasement). Btw, this is why the central banks say they target a low inflation rate (but it is lie).
All the other commodities (including other metals and foods) are consumed such that readily recoverable stocks are not more than about 6 months of supply. This is also why there can't be a global hyperinflation relative to general commodities, because the people would starve themselves within 6 months.
Only gold and silver can not be debased. All other substances on earth (especially paper or digital money) can be overproduced to create artificial inflation and theft by the central bank.
Lately I had an epiphany, and my thesis is that knowledge has a very huge existing stock relative to new supply. As we know (even the Bible says), most knowledge is recycled and not new. Thus I think if knowledge could be made fungible with programmatic referential transparency, then we could replace gold and silver with a form of money that we carry in our mind:
https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/knowledge-f9/book-ultimate-truth-chapter-6-math-proves-go-forth-multiply-t159-15.htm#3640
That is what I am working on now.
[1] http://www.professorfekete.com/
Steve Saville says essentially what I do above, but he has a different way of articulating it, which some may find more comprehensible:
http://www.kitco.com/ind/saville/nov032010.html
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