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Post  Yellowcaked on Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:01 pm

Starting this thread because life after the crash, martial law, lawlessness, etc, etc has been on my mind a lot lately. When/if everything is gone in the U.S. like all forms of paper investments, retirement accounts, pensions, whatever else happens, does it make any sense to remain in the USA or go to a more "civilized" nation like Philippines or Brazil.

Amazing that people are still smiling in the Phils.

Shelby wrote:People are still smiling here. These people are used to eating roots, so they can easily scale back from their recent taste of what they consider to be unnecessary luxury life. For people here luxury is more like a vacation, not a permanent expectation yet. Westerners wouldn't know how to survive on roots crops in a grass & bamboo house. Here you don't have to meet building codes, you don't have to pay for land to build a house on if you are very poor, etc..

Here is an article from today(tomorrow...)

PHILIPPINES ECONOMY ONE OF THE BRIGHTEST SPOTS IN THE REGION, SAYS VISITING ICC CHAIR

MANILA, Feb 12 (NNN-PNA) -- The Philippines remains one of the economies in the region insulated from the effects of the global economic downturn due to the reforms initiated by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo years ago.

This was the observation of Dr. Victor Fung, chairman of the Paris-based International Chamber of Commerce (ICC), who paid a courtesy call on the President on Thursday afternoon in Malacanang.

Dr. Fung is the first chairman from Hong Kong of the ICC, the largest, most representative business organization in the world with hundreds of thousands of member companies in over 130 countries spanning every sector of private enterprise.

“I think the Philippines is one of the economies in the region that has been relatively insulated from this tsunami. I am very impressed with the way the Philippine economy has functioned,” Dr. Fung said.

“So I think it (Philippines economy) is terrific, is one of the brightest spots in the whole region,” he added.

Although the Philippine exporting industry has been affected by the global recession, Fung said this would be temporary due to the uninterrupted remittances from Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs) and other robust businesses, such as the business process outsourcing (BPO) industry.

The continuing reforms and policies initiated by the President years ago have firmly put the Philippines on a path to stability and growth which, Fung said, has maintained the momentum in foreign investment.

“Obviously your exports have been somewhat affected but still going on very strongly. That is not a major part of your economy. I think that remittances have kept up and your BPO has really been developed very strongly due to the very good policies of the government that started a few years ago,” Fung said.

Fung said he and the President have been meeting quite a number of times, discussing a lot of issues such as keeping the multilateral trading system strong.

“In today’s environment it is absolutely essential that we maintain the flow of trade. Trade is the lifeblood of the international economy. In my capacity as chairman of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) which is the voice of global business, I think the idea of making sure that we keep each other informed of our respective presence in keeping the global trading system open, it is very important,” Fung said.

Dr. Fung, who leaves tonight for Thailand, had a speaking engagement in Manila and has been invited as speaker in the Philippines a number of times. -- NNN-PNA

http://www.namnewsnetwork.org/v2/read.php?id=73741

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Post  Shelby on Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:17 am

Actually the Phils economy is suffering a little bit, but you have to understand that filipinos are partying even if they only have coconut wine and grass to eat. Smiling is their passion. Of course some things (e.g. theft, risk of kidnapping, etc) do get worse when the economy turns down, but I have been coming over here since 1991 (back and forth to USA), and I have not been kidnapped yet. I also don't flaunt my wealth. And I try to be "like them". Even the bad filipinos have a heart, and they would rather attack the one who is "bad" (the imperialist/capitalist, e.g. the Chinaman is a target for kidnapping because he is perceived to exploit the locals) than the one is "like them". Also Luzon (Manila) has more westernized attitudes than the southern island where I am.


Brazil produces their own ethanol from sugar cane (much better economics than production from corn):

https://goldwetrust.forumotion.com/economics-f4/energy-economics-t52.htm#482

Perhaps not the entire USA will disintegrate. I expect there will be places in USA (e.g. Montana) where you have no idea of what is going on in the cities. Then again, I have heard that even small towns are making boondoogles with debt and unnecessary expenditures.

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Post  Shelby on Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:30 pm


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Post  Shelby on Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:06 am

I am still trying to work out details, such as who will be my target market, location, etc. But the point is I need it any way for myself.


What is inspiring me to attempt fast food business in Phils, is I can not find any food with beans any where in Mindanao (200 mile x 200 mile island with several big cities). The legume is a very important diversification of protein and fiber and amino acids. I have been ill or lacking of energy. I have been waiting 14 years for someone to put a decent restaurant in Mindanao and still none. Also I noticed how others are still generating profits in "basic essentials" retail.

I also know why filipinos eat so much fried food and barbacued skin of pig. It is because there is no other way here to get enough fat intake. Daily products are nearly nill, no one cooks with lard, etc. I now know the reason I can not sleep well, my skin was getting so dry, my health problems, is largely caused by lack of balanced fat and **COMPLETE** protein intake. Potatos and Camote were helping me, but were still lacking the complete protein that the legume adds. And I think all the breads here are baked with poor quality ingredients (probably containing many chemicals). You know for example Americans eating too many trans-fats due to processed oils (e.g. hydrogenated oils, Crisco, etc).

My skin is now back to oily and soft. Also I have found some multi-vitamens here (30 cents each), that are all natural ingredients, shaped like a horse pill. They have helped a lot, but really everything hinges on getting the balance natural fats and COMPLETE protein. Meat alone can never get one there...

I am still trying to work out details, such as who will be my target market, location, etc. But the point is I need it any way for myself.

It is too much to manage the production of such food just for myself. The Bible says don't plant just one tree, but a whole orchard.

On the high volume side, the locals can't spend more than about $1 for meal, and it has to have a lot of taste. It is really hard to hit the taste of the pinoy without putting a boat load of MSG. And then the rents are high in the high volume malls, e.g. a very small stall costs $600 per month + 20% of sales.

If target upscale, problem is we have people from all over the world, and so many different types of food they have been introduced to. Many have never tried a burrito for example. I could diversify with say organic pizzas, e.g. whole wheat etc..

I am still experimenting with ideas. I recently discovered an unpolished red rice here, so it really tastes great and loads of fiber (to me, but locals mostly hate it).

No beans here locally (except for expensive imported canned products). So I will have to send over in 24"x18"x18" boat shipped boxes ($80 each), which will add about 30 cents per lb of cost.

No locally produced cheeses or creams, although I can get imported stuff of good quality. There is now locally produced whole milk that is pretty good. I don't know if it is organic.

I have a lot to learn...

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Post  Shelby on Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:00 am

The last place on earth that tries to follow what Jesus said about bonding in flesh "let no man undo what God hath done":

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/columns/columns/view/20090612-210067/Divorce-Philippine-style

(the comments at end supporting divorce come probably mostly from the "educated" class who bother to post there, the traditional filipinos would still disagree with divorce, but they are being decimated by television and "education" system)

But being forced to accept the Harlot system by TPTB quotas and dictates coming Manila:

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/regions/view/20090614-210439/Negros-traders-seek-BIR-execs-ouster

...He said his office was still short of P98 million against their goal as of May.

Jose Senador, chief of the Taxpayer Service Section of the local RDO, said their office would be forced to exert more pressure on the taxpayers in order to meet their quota...

(note there was no VAT tax when I first arrived here in early 90s)

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Post  Shelby on Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:46 pm

It is true, but you can avoid this side of Phils, if you know what and where and how:

http://www.expatinterviews.com/real-truth-life-philippines

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Post  Shelby on Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:50 am

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Post  Shelby on Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:44 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Capital_control#Section_on_Capital_Controls_in_the_United_States

==Section on Capital Controls in the United States==
Someone (who doesn't bother signing in) keeps inserting an editorial piece arguing that US taxation law is an example of a capital control. I know you must be upset that you live abroad and Uncle Sam still wants your money, but the example you give is clearly not the type of capital control this article discusses. Make your argument here, if you like -- but these tax laws clearly do not prevent US citizens or companies from investing abroad, nor do they (very very clearly) prevent foreign investors from investing in the United States. The evidence against your argument can be measured in the trillions of dollars each year (and by the fact that the US dollar is fully convertible). [[User:Epstein's Mother|]] ([[User talk:Epstein's Mother|talk]]) 17:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

:I am rebutting the prior paragraph. You are arguing irrelevant syntax. You refer to it only as a "tax", but that is does not capture the full semantics of what the HEART law changed in 2008. The new semantics of '''forced''' acceleration of capital gains upon renouncing US citizenship is thus a capital control. For example, imagine you've owned real estate and retirement investments for a long-time, intending to hold it until death except to gradually take gains in your retirement years to be in minimum tax bracket each year so as to sustain your retirement. This is precisely the situation of many of the boomers. But now the US economy is permanently bankrupted with unfunded govt retirement obligations exceeding $40 trillion and growing at $1+ trillion per year, so the government will have no choice to raise taxes excessively, perhaps to 90% on top brackets as FDR did in 1930 Great Depression. Unlike Europe and most of the world, the USA taxes it's citizens even if they reside abroad. On top of this, the USA is turning increasing totalitarian (http://financialsense.com/editorials/casey/2009/0818.html) and Americans are buying more guns in 1 month than outfits the entire Indian and Chinese armies combined. So you decide to take your human capital (yourself and future investing income) abroad to escape this mess and renounce your citizenship to be free. But instead of being able to liquidate your US assets slowly to minimize any US capital gains taxes, you are fored by the 2008 HEART low to take all the capital gains in one tax year! Which very likely will soon end up at 90% tax rates. In essense, this will make it a capital control on US citizens wanting to gain the same rights as foreigners. Non-citizens (foreigners) have no such taxes or restrictions placed on them. The US citizen is being placed in a capital control jail by his/her own federal government. I am not signing in because it is my right under the Wikipedia system, and you or other reader may be an IRS operative. [[Special:Contributions/121.97.54.2|121.97.54.2]] ([[User talk:121.97.54.2|talk]]) 21:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

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Post  Jim on Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:35 am

Jim Sinclair thinks South Africa might be a good place to live for the next 25 or so years.

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Post  Shelby on Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:23 am

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCwc.php?id=16
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCwc.php?id=15

Cattle investing:

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCwc.php?id=18

Interesting way to deal with customs valuation when carrying gold:

http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=249

...She asked again about value, and I brought out another piece of paper that I carry with me. It is a downloaded page from the U.S. Treasury website that shows that the Federal Reserve and the Department of the Treasury value gold for inventory purposes at $42.22 per ounce...

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Post  Shelby on Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:05 am

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

Locals may not realize this was mostly caused by the Yuan peg to the dollar, which forced a mad bubble to move all the world's production to one country and which did not enable the Chinese people to spend their Yuan abroad at increasing value. In short, no free market balance. Denninger summarizes it well. Instead the photographer advocates making the central govt bigger and criminalizing pollution (sigh, when will people learn to read 1 Samuel 8):

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/11/11/interview-with-lu-guang-the-photographer-of-pollution-in-china/

...Therefore it is useless to only impose a fine. It is necessary to hold criminal responsibility and to develop more strict laws....

But remember this is not necessarily all of China in that environmental condition.

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Post  Shelby on Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:29 pm

I took physical possession of metals in Manila this week and was given a tour of the tiny refinery and the vault. If you need 0.9999 gold and silver, you can get it here at reasonably near spot. This is a way to store some of your metal outside USA. There is vault, and you can wire funds to them. If any one wants the contact info, then email Jason Hommel at silverstockreport.com for Peter Ritter's contact info in Manila.

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Post  Shelby on Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:37 am

Remember every single one of us commits a felony every day, because there are something like 160,000 laws in the US legal code.

And see what is happening now:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=515133

Immigration deports 3 Americans
(The Philippine Star) Updated October 18, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - The BI deported three Americans Wednesday on three different Philippine Airlines flights.

BI Commissioner Marcelino Libanan said among those deported was James Kenneth Nichols, 42, a convicted drug offender who was released from the New Bilibid Prisons after Malacañang granted him a conditional pardon and ordered him to pay a fine of P500,000.

American Douglas John Fitzgerald, 68, is wanted by a US district court in Idaho for tax evasion, while David Lawrence Fiske, 49, is reportedly wanted in Texas for his “failure to register as a sex offender.”

The names of the three American nationals were added to the BI’s watchlist to prevent them from returning to the country. – Evelyn Macairan

Although the above crimes may not apply to us, the procedures are being put in place...

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Post  Shelby on Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:33 pm

Does rebalancing mean the future of the West looks more like this? Notice what a big role drug plays in all the following countries, including USA.

Dubai (indentured servants):
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/the-slaves-of-dubai--2 (reminds of Philippines back in the early 1990s)

Pakistan (drugs & guns):
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/the-gun-markets-of-pakistan--4

Africa (whorEshipping):
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-1-of-8--2 (I lived in a squatter area b4, but not this intense)
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-8-of-8--2
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/the-vice-guide-to-liberia-3-of-8--2 (the usa created this place)

U.S.A. (oblivious):
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/2nd-revolutionary-war--4
http://www.vbs.tv/newsroom/obama-s-war--4

Click the full screen button when watching the videos.

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Post  Shelby on Sun Feb 07, 2010 2:22 pm

http://www.captainslash.com/chiang-khong-nan/

Interesting website, click Home.

Better roads than Philippines.

Do not be sure that USA is worse than Asia:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100001459/dollar-hegemony-for-another-century/

The UN expects America to add roughly 100m people by 2050, keeping its age balance in relatively good shape through a mix of immigration and a healthy fertility rate — now 2.12 live births per woman, still above replacement level. This compares to: Taiwan (1.13), Korea (1.2), Japan (1.22), Ukraine (1.25), Poland (1.27), Spain (1.3), Italy (1.3), Russia (1.4), Germany (1.41), China (1.77), Britain (1.96), and France (1.98). Some of this data may be slightly out of date, but the picture remains valid.

Professor Becker said a collapsing birth rate is extremely hard to reverse, and the cultural effects are insidious. Old societies are status quo. They are slow to embrace new technologies. Young minds are the source of hi-tech invention.

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Post  Jim on Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:24 am

Marc Faber lived in Hong Kong for many years. Now I think his principle family residence is in Thailand. And I think he owns a beachfront residence in Vietnam.

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Post  Shelby on Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:26 pm

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thai-Immigration-Collect-Global-Ar-t339408.html

There will be no place to hide with our gold and silver.

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Post  Jim on Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:02 am

Shelby wrote:Mexican dancing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eZg_pxXz5Y

Wow!

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